Gay Men, Stop Appropriating Black Women!

[Jjang 2,262]

​Admiration and appropriation are two different things tho.  You can admire something without having to take it and try make it your thing. ;shrug: 

​Admiration? it had been turned into something comedic among the majority of the gay community, its appropriation at its peak, its mockery, but somehow acceptable.

[Tropico 4,145]

appropriation in general just appears childish bc it's literally people complaining that someone is copying them like nnnnnn  we ain't gonna do a Gaga-esque speech about how inspired we were by black people every time we use a sassy attitude

& being black isn't a minority bc a large percentage of the world's population is black

Nobody ever said that minorties can't have their history, their traditions and their beliefs, but to say that you as a group 'own' mannerisms and sass? No TY sis, I'll carry on doing what I'm doing without worrying about this social copyright ​

​It's not about "copying". One's heritage, background and culture being appropriated isn't the same as copying the answers to some damn pop quiz. It's about respecting it. No one's saying you can't admire one's culture. Go ahead and do so! But DON'T try and recreate someone's culture and heritage. It's been apart of their history and heritage. To try and replicate it when you have absolutely no background when it comes to "black women sass" is just messy. 

[Desperado 2,439]

A bit odd that most of what is regarded as "black women" sass, actually originated from Ball culture(Paris is Burning), which was a popular underground LGBT movement and drag culture  So, did it really even belong to black women to begin with, maybe gay men/drag queens are actually the ones being culturally appropriated here  

​didn't they got it from they mothers/grandmothers? 

[Alien Tulip 12,428]

Oh god this will never end. Thankfully I don't associate myself with people that talk that way but even if they did who really cares? People like the loser in the video over a--lyze things and just find stuff to b---h about  

[Supersonic 49,376]

​i don't mean to sound rude but i think all this appropriation thing develops from America, bc i've literally never heard of someone here in Europe even use the term cultural appropriation or anything. 

Both sides imo really need to just be open to each other instead of drawing battle lines based on "oh em gee ur copying me"

​Yeah because Europe in general is completely oblivious about anything insensitive they do. If u ain't Dutch or are interested in cultural studies you probably have never heard about Zwarte Piet, the white sidekick of Santa Claus in black face that acts like a monkey.

Pretending like we are all that sophisticated and free in Europe when we are the root of the actual problem. I see UK people be like "oh the USA is so racist, our country is so much better" when the UK was the country that f*cking started enslaving black people and exploiting the entire world. Every country that participated in Colonalization is guilty of it.

[darkchylde 14,857]

Having white male privilege feels so good when I'm scared to come out to my own family.

[Vernier 3,786]

ALSO there is a difference between KNOWING your roots...'I got this from Paris is Burning' is completely different to 'my inner sassy black lady is coming out yall call me shaniqua!!!!11'

there's two types of responses in this thread: those who have done their research and those who follow the popular opinion, and side with those who did their research to make their ignorance seem valid. 

​This is also true, I have witnessed someone saying "I'm a fierce, black independent woman on the inside" *finger snaps*, which is such a cringey caricature  

[Cody Draco 2,531]

ALSO there is a difference between KNOWING your roots...'I got this from Paris is Burning' is completely different to 'my inner sassy black lady is coming out yall call me shaniqua!!!!11'

there's two types of responses in this thread: those who have done their research and those who follow the popular opinion, and side with those who did their research to make their ignorance seem valid. 

​Not every gay/bis-xual man is like Laganja Estranja.

Since black people suffer so much from stereotypes I'm disgusted every time they use them against us. I'm so over being lumped with conservative racist white America just because I share a ****ing skin color with them.

 

 

[Supersonic 49,376]

ALSO there is a difference between KNOWING your roots...'I got this from Paris is Burning' is completely different to 'my inner sassy black lady is coming out yall call me shaniqua!!!!11'

there's two types of responses in this thread: those who have done their research and those who follow the popular opinion, and side with those who did their research to make their ignorance seem valid. 

​You spill so much tea I co-sign everything you said.

[Luiz 4,253]

i just always thought it was odd. i dont like the whole "sass" stuff too much to begin with but sometimes it can be funny i guess.

 

off topic: just realized i think i look at "sassy gays" the same way y'all loo at "bros"  

[Tropico 4,145]

Oh so it's okay for black and latin gay men to adopt stereotypical black female mannerisms but not white gay men? That's not discriminatory at all.

 

​no. no. no. NO.  Nobody should try to appropriate anybodies culture. White Gay Men were specifically mentioned because they do it the most according to the writer. 

[VelmaDinkley 195]

ya might want to add "white" into the title  

​No because if a latino or asian says the "n" word or talks like that then I will slap the living **** out of them too. You asians and latinos dont get a pass, ya'll can kiss my black ass. 

[Andreyw 4,285]

​I understand your argument, and I believe it comes from a good place, but saying this trivialises all issues of discrimination and equality.

Equality is NOT the idea that we should all be the same, but that we should all be TREATED the same.

To do as you say, to blend all cultures into one, dogmatic and overarching culture which supersedes all others is a discredit to the uniqueness of all cultures, and this applies to all aspects of social characteristics and identity.

To end s-xism, should we combine all s-xes and genders together? Would that end transphobia too?

Doing so, even in a hypothetical situation which I'm using to make a point, rejects who we are, telling us that we should all be seen the same. 

Don't look at someone and say "Oh, I don't see race". ACKNOWLEDGE their race and say "I'm going to treat you like everyone else". If we stop seeing things like race, s-x, gender, s-xual identity or orientation then we practically tell people that their identity needs to be unseen. 

I wasn't referring at everyone transforming into literally the same thing   but really... I'm getting tired of this "x appropriated idk what culture" ... Especially of people like Azealia Banks who pretends to "fight for equality" by calling every white people racist yet she states that she "hates white American fat people" or something like that and that all "black men are taking women for granted " and since she started all the bull**** with Iggy Azalea by stating that she was racist by scrolling through her ancient tweets and keep saying that she's appropriating black culture , everyone started acting like Social Justice Warriors...idk , at least , that's my point of view and this annoys me the most ...like everyone starting to accuse everyone for appropriating black culture when some people simply admire black people / culture but who cares...it's fun to act like Justice warriors  

[Leo 3,000]

Having white male privilege feels so good when I'm scared to come out to my own family.

​No one is saying that because you're a white man, that your life will be easy.

If you're gay, that places you in a hard place, and we all acknowledge that. No one is trying to make the case that you shouldn't feel discriminated against. And of course, each family is different, so we don't know your situation.

[xoxo cupcakke 4,781]

Here is my two cents in this matter:

Are white gays guilty of appropriating black women? Yes and no. Why? Because oroginally, black and Latino gays were the ones who "appropriated" black women, and eventually, there came a rise in ball culture which venerated many female celebrities, both white and black

White gays then started to latch on to how the black and Latino gays acted as it became a sort of identity for gay culture. Fast forward to now, and many gays, not just white and not just black, are emulating black women. Don't just blame white gays I say because if there are more at fault, don't subject one specific group which brings me to my next point

Why should it even matter? By instigating the notion that cultures should possess exclusivity, we are appropriating the notion that we are all not one and the same, that we are of different races and different sub species of Homo sapiens. That is the reason why America cannot have its populace become a nation united instead of a nation divided. The US is not this colorblind society it claims to be if it allows certain cultures practice exclusivity based on the color of one's skin