Let's appreciate one of Gaga's most iconic styles in writing lyrics

[Joumana 463]

​Nobody has said that. It is an important and powerful element to catchy songs though. Repetition is also helpful in terms of overseas success. You might not know english but you can remember this:

"Can't read my,
Can't read my,
No he can't read my poker face
(She's got me like nobody)
Can't read my
Can't read my
No he can't read my poker face
(She is gonna let nobody)

P p p poker face, p p p poker face
(Muh muh muh muh)
P p p poker face, p p poker face
(Muh muh muh muh)"

It's what made songs like Pokerface so global

 

And if you believe Gaga, there is an art and power to music that connects people on such a large and global level.

"interpret their meaning" suggesting theres some relevant explanation behind it being repetitive 

You do realise that catchy pop songs have been around for decades now and repetitive lyrics are not the only formula to a catchy song. It points out lazy and uninspired songwriting.

Also what were you trying to prove with that video and yes im sure music brongs everyone together. 

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​omg so cute 

[Gaga is Life 101]

Thought this was gonna be all the baby words in her songs

But yeah the sheer iconicness of repetitiveness is super  

[Bebe 17,094]

"interpret their meaning" suggesting theres some relevant explanation behind it being repetitive 

You do realise that catchy pop songs have been around for decades now and repetitive lyrics are not the only formula to a catchy song. It points out lazy and uninspired songwriting.

Also what were you trying to prove with that video and yes im sure music brongs everyone together. 

That quote is incorrect. Nobody said anything about interpreting meaning, the use of the word "interpret"​ in this instance ("I feel like no one can interpret repetitive lyrics as good as Gaga") can be interchanged with words like  "transcribe".

Of course I am aware that repetitive lyrics are not the only way to create a catchy song, but it is one of the most effective techniques. I think you are simply wrong about such writing being lazy or uninspired. If it is done with a specific intention (in the case of pokerface to create a memorable, unique and catchy hook that doubles as a metaphor) it can be quite effective. 

The video was an attempt to make my point about overseas success, something that I think was a clear objective of Gaga during "The Fame" era. All of her early singles (Just Dance - Judas) repeat the song title enough times so as to penetrate the language barrier. On her first five singles, she sings the song’s title 18, 30, 34, nine, and 36 times, respectively. 

Her ability to reach overseas markets with great success and as an up-and-coming artist was partly because her songs were catchy and repetitive enough to be successful in non-english speaking countries.

I don't particularly want Gaga to continue with the same pattern on song writing, if anything I would prefer her to go to the opposite spectrum and write something extremely unconventional and free from radio expectations. I do think her use of repetition was smart though, and as an artist who claimed to use pop music as her canvas I think she achieved her goal in a spectacular fashion.

It was Gaga herself who praised the qualities of pop music, over other genres, for it's ability to reach a huge audience and bring them together.
 

[Bradley 59,157]

That's so redone tho.

​aka best producer ever

[Bradley 59,157]

so let me get this straight 

Repetitive lyrics are artistic?

​I'm not trying to offend you but are you trying to sound ignorant? I never said that and no one interpreted it that way. Some repetitive lyrics are stupid, but Gaga makes them catchy, iconic, bold and unique (or weird in a good way).

Well to answer your question, it's her artistry and we like it.

[Bradley 59,157]

you forgot " Ale-alejandro Ale-alejandro" and "You and I You you and I"

​Those aren't iconic enough. That is why not every song with repetitive lyrics are worth mentioning, just these modern classics Gaga created.

[Joumana 463]

​I'm not trying to offend you but are you trying to sound ignorant? I never said that and no one interpreted it that way. Some repetitive lyrics are stupid, but Gaga makes them catchy, iconic, bold and unique (or weird in a good way).

Well to answer your question, it's her artistry and we like it.

 

Oh? Why the hell would i be offended if you ask me if im ignorant? I was having an open minded discussion but YOU are too blinded by what you don't know and what you never even understand non of these lyrics will ever be "iconic" or "bold". Bad Romance, Applause and LoveGame were undeniably catchy and it didnt have they didnt have that butchered structure. Piece of Me by Britney was catchy Music and 4 Minutes by Madonna were catchy AND those songs deserve the title of "Iconic" did Just Dance deserve that title? No.

 

Wake up! Shes not the best pop star in the world

 

 

[Joumana 463]

That quote is incorrect. Nobody said anything about interpreting meaning, the use of the word "interpret"​ in this instance ("I feel like no one can interpret repetitive lyrics as good as Gaga") can be interchanged with words like  "transcribe".
Of course I am aware that repetitive lyrics are not the only way to create a catchy song, but it is one of the most effective techniques. I think you are simply wrong about such writing being lazy or uninspired. If it is done with a specific intention (in the case of pokerface to create a memorable, unique and catchy hook that doubles as a metaphor) it can be quite effective. 

The video was an attempt to make my point about overseas success, something that I think was a clear objective of Gaga during "The Fame" era. All of her early singles (Just Dance - Judas) repeat the song title enough times so as to penetrate the language barrier. On her first five singles, she sings the song’s title 18, 30, 34, nine, and 36 times, respectively. 

Her ability to reach overseas markets with great success and as an up-and-coming artist was partly because her songs were catchy and repetitive enough to be successful in non-english speaking countries.

I don't particularly want Gaga to continue with the same pattern on song writing, if anything I would prefer her to go to the opposite spectrum and write something extremely unconventional and free from radio expectations. I do think her use of repetition was smart though, and as an artist who claimed to use pop music as her canvas I think she achieved her goal in a spectacular fashion.

It was Gaga herself who praised the qualities of pop music, over other genres, for it's ability to reach a huge audience and bring them together.
 

So youre saying the repetitive lyrics are the only songs that defeat the language barrier? Thats what pop music does it doesnt HAVE to have these un-melodic sequences unlike papparazzi which i personally appreciate.

The writing IS catchy but HOW can you not see how it is not lazy it is not the repetitiveness that made that metaphor either  it was there anyway why are you bringing the actual content to the 20 second "papapapa poker face" in each chorus. 

I personally do not see how she achieved anything she hasnt given us anything memorable now is really the time in which she has to prove her place as a popstar non of her music was groundbreaking and the canvas ARTPOP **** was cringey she had no idea what she was talking abt sadly enough regardless of her undeniable talent. I think well just have to wait and see.

[Bebe 17,094]

So youre saying the repetitive lyrics are the only songs that defeat the language barrier? Thats what pop music does it doesnt HAVE to have these un-melodic sequences unlike papparazzi which i personally appreciate.

The writing IS catchy but HOW can you not see how it is not lazy it is not the repetitiveness that made that metaphor either  it was there anyway why are you bringing the actual content to the 20 second "papapapa poker face" in each chorus. 

I personally do not see how she achieved anything she hasnt given us anything memorable now is really the time in which she has to prove her place as a popstar non of her music was groundbreaking and the canvas ARTPOP **** was cringey she had no idea what she was talking abt sadly enough regardless of her undeniable talent. I think well just have to wait and see.

​I'm not saying that at all. You are trying to take my comments as absolutes, of course they aren't, I'm sure you will be able to find successful songs that managed to break the language barrier with little repetition, but such songs will be scarce. 

When you sing the title of the song 18, 30, 34, nine, and 36 times and you now have a catchy song that can be easily repeated by people across the globe. That's the genius of her early work, it can be sung and understood by people across the world.

I'd like you to try and find an example of an english speaking artist whose debut album has stats like this:

It's simply not lazy to use techniques to make your music catchy. It's funny because the catchy hooks are what critics praised the most about The Fame and you are here trashing it.
I'm bringing the metaphorical components of Poker Face into the conversation because it provides a reason to repeat it. She has a simple idea and makes sure she effectively communicates it to her audience.

Also, I wasn't actually referencing the ARTPOP era. I was referencing what she said during TF.

Gaga has provided memorable moments, I mean that's not even debatable. There are, to this day, constant lists naming Bad Romance and Telephone among the best videos of all time. Born This Way held the the number one spot for six weeks and was the 1000th number one single in chart history. Paparazzi VMA is still considered by publications among her most iconic performances and one of the most iconic VMA performances (far above any of her contemporaries, bar maybe Miley).

She was a major force in bringing dance music to the forefront of US pop music, she inspired major artists from Katy to Rihanna to Nicki Minaj with her unique fashion choices and has achieved countless recognition and opportunities that her contemporaries couldn't dream of.

You are severely underestimating her.

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Oh? Why the hell would i be offended if you ask me if im ignorant? I was having an open minded discussion but YOU are too blinded by what you don't know and what you never even understand non of these lyrics will ever be "iconic" or "bold". Bad Romance, Applause and LoveGame were undeniably catchy and it didnt have they didnt have that butchered structure. Piece of Me by Britney was catchy Music and 4 Minutes by Madonna were catchy AND those songs deserve the title of "Iconic" did Just Dance deserve that title? No.

 

Wake up! Shes not the best pop star in the world

 

 

​4 Minutes? Iconic? LOL BYE

[Joumana 463]

​I'm not saying that at all. You are trying to take my comments as absolutes, of course they aren't, I'm sure you will be able to find successful songs that managed to break the language barrier with little repetition, but such songs will be scarce. 

When you sing the title of the song 18, 30, 34, nine, and 36 times and you now have a catchy song that can be easily repeated by people across the globe. That's the genius of her early work, it can be sung and understood by people across the world.

I'd like you to try and find an example of an english speaking artist whose debut album has stats like this:

It's simply not lazy to use techniques to make your music catchy. It's funny because the catchy hooks are what critics praised the most about The Fame and you are here trashing it.
I'm bringing the metaphorical components of Poker Face into the conversation because it provides a reason to repeat it. She has a simple idea and makes sure she effectively communicates it to her audience.

Also, I wasn't actually referencing the ARTPOP era. I was referencing what she said during TF.

Gaga has provided memorable moments, I mean that's not even debatable. There are, to this day, constant lists naming Bad Romance and Telephone among the best videos of all time. Born This Way held the the number one spot for six weeks and was the 1000th number one single in chart history. Paparazzi VMA is still considered by publications among her most iconic performances and one of the most iconic VMA performances (far above any of her contemporaries, bar maybe Miley).

She was a major force in bringing dance music to the forefront of US pop music, she inspired major artists from Katy to Rihanna to Nicki Minaj with her unique fashion choices and has achieved countless recognition and opportunities that her contemporaries couldn't dream of.

You are severely underestimating her.

I dont use charts tyvm omg i cant at you no i am not underestimating her i am totally self aware of what IS memorable and whats not 

[Bebe 17,094]

I dont use charts tyvm omg i cant at you no i am not underestimating her i am totally self aware of what IS memorable and whats not 

Well it's not my problem you don't use charts. We are having a conversation about how the techniques Gaga used during TF/TFM (the catchy, repetitive hooks she wrote) was smart because it allowed her to break the language barrier in a way that would be near impossible otherwise. I don't know how else I could show this to you than by showing her success overseas.

You are using some sort of inner "knowingness" and "feeling" about what you think may or may not be memorable. I personally think those "feelings" are a bit out of whack.
Here are some actual articles from 2013-2015 talking about the memorable moments I have mentioned.

Paparazzi performance:

Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/30-most-outrageous-mtv-vmas-moments-of-all-time-20140820/lady-gaga-hangs-herself-onstage-2009-20140820

MTV (Note this is chronological order) http://www.mtv.com/news/1901258/vma-unforgettable-moments/

Celebuzz http://www.celebuzz.com/2013-07-30/most-iconic-vma-moments-lady-gaga-paparazzi-vmas-2009/

Hollywood.com http://www.hollywood.com/news/tv/57263464/the-best-mtv-video-music-awards-performances-of-all-time

 

Bad Romance Video:

TIME http://entertainment.time.com/2011/07/28/the-30-all-time-best-music-videos/slide/lady-gaga-bad-romance-2009/

WhatCulture http://whatculture.com/music/5-reasons-why-bad-romance-is-lady-gagas-thriller.php

Billboard http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/468680/the-10-best-00s-music-videos-poll-results?page=0%2C1

BuzzFeed http://www.buzzfeed.com/samstryker/happy-birthday-lady-gaga#.yrwljjY9Y

 

Telephone video:

Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6436761/best-music-videos-2010s

 

Born This Way: I mean lets be honest, almost every article that talks about her refers to her as "The Born This Way singer"

I think  "I am totally self aware of what IS memorable and what's not" and apparently so do you, the difference is I can provide receipts from only the period of 2013-2015  that would seem to indicate multiple notable publications also find these works memorable.

[Bradley 59,157]

 

Oh? Why the hell would i be offended if you ask me if im ignorant? I was having an open minded discussion but YOU are too blinded by what you don't know and what you never even understand non of these lyrics will ever be "iconic" or "bold". Bad Romance, Applause and LoveGame were undeniably catchy and it didnt have they didnt have that butchered structure. Piece of Me by Britney was catchy Music and 4 Minutes by Madonna were catchy AND those songs deserve the title of "Iconic" did Just Dance deserve that title? No.

 

Wake up! Shes not the best pop star in the world

 

 

​Well it's good that you are not offended because surely that wasn't a very nice thing to say.

Excuse me but Just Dance is ICONIC. How is Just Dance not catchy when Piece of Me is? Just Dance might sound like another "party, have a good time" song but among this category, it was a great and an iconic one. No one has party songs like Just Dance.

Just because you don't feel a song doesn't mean it isn't good. Judas is my favorite of her entire career, and many people actually like Judas better than her huger hit singles like Born This Way.

[Runway 27,876]

 

Oh? Why the hell would i be offended if you ask me if im ignorant? I was having an open minded discussion but YOU are too blinded by what you don't know and what you never even understand non of these lyrics will ever be "iconic" or "bold". Bad Romance, Applause and LoveGame were undeniably catchy and it didnt have they didnt have that butchered structure. Piece of Me by Britney was catchy Music and 4 Minutes by Madonna were catchy AND those songs deserve the title of "Iconic" did Just Dance deserve that title? No.

 

Wake up! Shes not the best pop star in the world

 

 

Says an Alizard stan