Rob Fusari wants re-trial of Starland lawsuit, blames Gaga's fame for biasing jury

[VelmaDinkley 195]

You are now being the disrespectful one. I'm older than you. And this topic wouldn't be brought up, if this site wouldn't give attention and promo to this man, who Gaga clearly hates.

No one is attacking Chica. People just don't like to see comments like "poor Rob". 

 

​No offense but you seem a lot younger judging by the way you handle things. Anyway I do think Rob is the rapist but I agree with other people that we should stop digging into this topic as it is very disrespectful to even constantly bring up when Gaga didn't even want to discuss it but Howard sort of brought it up.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

​How am I being a troll? You're the one disrespectfully talking about someone's rape and digging into it like you're the detective hired on the case.

​For the last time: I am not digging into information that isn't there. I am not a--lyzing anything that isn't already clear. I'm simply pointing out why defending Rob Fusari is wrong. Are ****ing kidding me right now? Just stop. You're the one being disrespectful by denying and ignoring Gaga's own words.

[Crucify 26]

​For the last time: I am not digging into information that isn't there. I am not a--lyzing anything that isn't already clear. I'm simply pointing out why defending Rob Fusari is wrong. Are ****ing kidding me right now? Just stop.

​Rob Fusari is innocent until proven guilty, which you cannot do.

[Katie14 4,828]

​That was clear a long time ago.

​Now you are just being a jerk. Im not the only one repeating the same words on here.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

​No offense but you seem a lot younger judging by the way you handle things. Anyway I do think Rob is the rapist but I agree with other people that we should stop digging into this topic as it is very disrespectful to even constantly bring up when Gaga didn't even want to discuss it but Howard sort of brought it up.

​This isn't digging. Just trying to get people to stop defending him. It's hurtful and it reminds me of how people defended the person who did the same to me.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

​Rob Fusari is innocent until proven guilty, which you cannot do.

​I'm done with you. Please educate yourself and leave me alone. I don't need your ridiculous accusations.

https://caffeinatedperspectives.wordpress.com/2014/03/09/legal-hegemony-and-the-presumption-of-innocence/

[lego 44,165]

​You're in no position to call anyone disrespectful when you guys are constantly posting threads about this guy. And people are attacking Chica if you've seen other Rob threads. Unless we have paper validating that he is in fact the raper, we should just stop discussing this topic since its clear that she isn't going to name who it was. She might have given clues that it is Rob but that doesn't mean it's confirmation. If it's not confirmation then we shouldn't point fingers. None of us were there so none of us will never know unless she name drops.

We didn't post threads about him. Chica posted two interviews with him in News section. One before and one after H.Stern interview, when many started to talk about her confession and the hints she gave.

MonsterMum posted another interview where he's showing double face and bashing Gaga.

 

 

[SpaceAce 1,058]

​Now you are just being a jerk. Im not the only one repeating the same words on here.

​Okay you're right. I'm just really frustrated with this conversation. People are telling me I'm being disrespectful and digging by simply discussing her words, but they find no problem in defending the man that has been incredibly manipulative and hurtful towards her.

How is Howard's continuation of the conversation not relevant? How is the second part of the interview not a continuation? You're drawing lines where there aren't and shouldn't be. She never made any distinctions, and that says more about the similarities than the differences. In the beginning of the interview she could have been referring to the one situation but didn't want to get specific. When Howard continued the conversation and finally drew it out of her, it was not a separate discussion. It's so simple to me that I don't see how you can interpret it in any other way.

In the first and unclear part of the interview, she first gave information about someone generally and said that he claimed he worked with Beyonce - Rob Fusari made those claims.

In the second and clear part of the interview, she gave further information that only points to Rob.

- the fact that he is 20 years older

- the fact that she was 19 when it happened

- and the fact that he publicly claimed they were dating.

There is no other producer that fits this description.

Please. I'm not a--lyzing or digging for something. I don't want to know anything more about this and I don't want her to have to deal with anything relating to him again. I just want fans to stop disrespecting her, ignoring her words, and defending the man on the basis that one is innocent until proven guilty. That practice is only relevant in court.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

​You're in no position to call anyone disrespectful when you guys are constantly posting threads about this guy. And people are attacking Chica if you've seen other Rob threads. Unless we have paper validating that he is in fact the raper, we should just stop discussing this topic since its clear that she isn't going to name who it was. She might have given clues that it is Rob but that doesn't mean it's confirmation. If it's not confirmation then we shouldn't point fingers. None of us were there so none of us will never know unless she name drops.

​

THIS. This is exactly what I'm addressing. I'm not trying to a--lyze her rape or "dig into it". The innocent until proven guilty practice is not relevant outside of court and it's how people commonly respond because it's so hard to believe the victim. It is ridiculous to say that we shouldn't ignore and stop defending the man because she didn't "name drop". Do you have no respect for her autonomy and her situation? She doesn't have to "name drop" if she doesn't want to and she very clearly stated that she legally cant. What she did make clear, is that who did it to her is obvious and that she was never in a relationship with him. Until fans start accepting that, I'll continue to point it out to them. You all are trivializing everything she bravely revealed in Howard's interview and it's wrong.

[lego 44,165]

​No offense but you seem a lot younger judging by the way you handle things. Anyway I do think Rob is the rapist but I agree with other people that we should stop digging into this topic as it is very disrespectful to even constantly bring up when Gaga didn't even want to discuss it but Howard sort of brought it up.

I'm few years older than Gaga. I'll take that as a compliment tho. I look younger too.  

We are not discussing it out of curiosity, I see it as disrespectful towards Gaga to praise and pity him and to give him promo, when it's clear that she hates him. For a reason. 

[lego 44,165]

​Now you are just being a jerk. Im not the only one repeating the same words on here.

There is no need for personal attack and insults.

[Katie14 4,828]

​Okay you're right. I'm just really frustrated with this conversation. People are telling me I'm being disrespectful and digging by simply discussing her words, but they find no problem in defending the man that has been incredibly manipulative and hurtful towards her.

How is Howard's continuation of the conversation not relevant? How is the second part of the interview not a continuation? You're drawing lines where there aren't and shouldn't be. She never made any distinctions, and that says more about the similarities than the differences. In the beginning of the interview she could have been referring to the one situation but didn't want to get specific. When Howard continued the conversation and finally drew it out of her, it was not a separate discussion. It's so simple to me that I don't see how you can interpret it in any other way.

In the first and unclear part of the interview, she first gave information about someone generally and said that he claimed he worked with Beyonce - Rob Fusari made those claims.

In the second and clear part of the interview, she gave further information that only points to Rob.

- the fact that he is 20 years older

- the fact that she was 19 when it happened

- and the fact that he publicly claimed they were dating.

There is no other producer that fits this description.

Please. I'm not a--lyzing or digging for something. I don't want to know anything more about this and I don't want her to have to deal with anything relating to him again. I just want fans to stop disrespecting her, ignoring her words, and defending the man on the basis that one is innocent until proven guilty. That practice is only relevant in court.

​Its a continuation because they are discussing the same topic yes. But, everything she says when she was speaking more generally cannot automatically be applied to the more specific circumstance she discussed later on.

This might be a bad example but its what i came up with:

Lets say you are having a conversation about adventures you had with multiple friends during a vacation. You can’t say who those friends are but you say that their identities can be inferred. Then the topic gets brought up again, this time about a specific activity, lets say rock climbing with one of those friends. The identities of the friends on the trip who went on adventures with you can be inferred but not necessarily the one who went rock climbing with you. You were not specifically talking about rock climbing when you said that the identities are obvious. What you said about the identities of your friends from before can’t just be applied to more specific activities you discuss later on. It doesn’t make sense.

" In the beginning of the interview she could have been referring to the one situation but didn't want to get specific. "

She may have been but we don't know that. She could just as easily been referring to all the abuse besides rape since (technically) less traumatic forms of s-xual abuse were what they were initially discussing.

The only reason I am even discussing the quote in question is because if that quote is interpreted the way you think it should be then yea it makes it pretty damn obvious it is him with all the other evidence/clues that Gaga gives. But, if you interpret it the way I am, it makes who it is a lot more ambiguous. As far as we know Rob is the only one that fits but we dont know of everyone she worked with.

[Katie14 4,828]

There is no need for personal attack and insults.

​Are you kidding me? Did you see why I even said that? I was insulted first and called SpaceAce out on it. Why don't you tell him/her that there is no need for him/her to insult me?

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

​?

​Do you realize that s-xual abuse = abuse = rape = s-xual assault and so on. They're interchangeable. It's not separated .

​I don't agree that they are interchangable. 

I view rape as a physcal assault meant to injure the victim, many women who  survive to live after such an attack are scarred for life.  Many are killed.

Sexual abuse is phsycological and twisting events to benefit one party at the expense of the other.  Its not limited to a man abusing a woman, but generally it pans out that way.  Abuse is the part where and individual is pressured, or otherwise  convinced that they must have s-x with another party becasue *insert reason* against their own best judgement or interest. 

Sexual assault is the attempt *sucessful or not* to engage in a s-xual act against their will.

 

Considering the information on the interenet regarding this circumstance,

I looks to me as if Gaga felt it necessary to have s-x with ***** to further her ambitions in the Music Industry...

While not Rape or Assault this would fall under 's-xual abuse' ... or 'harrasment' 

The problem is that the producers hold all the cards at first until the artist gets enough recognition an financial success on their own without the producers involvement.

[lego 44,165]

​Are you kidding me? Did you see why I even said that? I was insulted first and called SpaceAce out on it. Why don't you tell him/her that there is no need for him/her to insult me?

I didn't see her calling you any names. She said that you are wrong? That you're repeating yourself? I don't see an insult.