Luiz 4,253 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 In what has been described as a not-so-covert attack on gay marriage, a bill banning non-religious people from marrying and requiring all marriage licences be approved by a member of the clergy has been passed in Oklahoma.The bill, which was approved by the Oklahoma state House last week and will now go to the state Senate for consideration, would restrict marriage only to people of faith.But while it might seem on the surface like an assault on atheism, critics are saying that it is same-s-x unions that the bill is not-so-stealthily attacking. By making the clergy – not judges and court clerks – the sole marriage licence issuers, it will be more difficult for gay marriages to take place.‘Marriage was not instituted by government,’ said Rep. Dennis Johnson, who backed the bill.‘It was instituted by God. There is no reason for Oklahoma or any state to be involved in marriage.’ Rep. Todd Russ, who sponsored the bill, told KSWO-TV that it stemmed from his personal opposition to marriage equality, saying same-s-x marriage laws were ‘stuck down our throats’ by the Supreme Court despite Oklahoma voting ‘overwhelmingly’ against it.Troy Stevenson, head of the LGBT advocacy group Freedom Oklahoma, said that the community would ‘fight back’ against the ‘discriminatory legislation’ – but added that there was a silver lining.‘There are… 160 members of the clergy who have publicly declared their willingness to marry LGBT people [in Oklahoma],’ he said.http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/17/oklahoma-is-banning-atheists-from-getting-married-5107328/ I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thathimerosguy 3 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 kinda agree tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hola Soraya 4,369 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Flop state... jk but seriously though... ¿Tú me estás hablando en inglés? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,767 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 All the news from this state is so idiotic.... I seriously can't believe how stupid the elected representatives are there. And this is coming from someone who lives in TEXAS, Ted Cruz (he's Canadian and needs to gtfo tbh) and Rick Perry being the most famous idiots from my state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 kinda agree tbh oh you're going to make this fun arent you I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Sings 1,705 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think it's hilariously hypocritical that he said "There is no reason for Oklahoma or any state to be involved in marriage" when passing a state marriage law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMo 3,889 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 So much for the separation between church and state. Oh America www.youtube.com/jmremixes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeala 875 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 [Marriage] was instituted by God.nah bro it was instituted by male supremacists to turn women into property Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think it's hilariously hypocritical that he said "There is no reason for Oklahoma or any state to be involved in marriage" when passing a state marriage lawCame in here to say precisely this. If Oklahoma should not be involved then why is the state itself passing a law? Is this even constitutional and allowed in the US? I mean this is like saying they're banning civil marriages and only allowing religious marriages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If this passes, the Unitarian clergy will be busy marrying lots of gays and atheists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarfall 3,723 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That's dumb, just saying 'oh look, I'm married. Nice ring right?!' isn't the only benefit of marriage. Only giving it to religious people isn't right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 interesting debate going on in the reddit comments copy paste the top comment Ok, I understand that people want to be outraged, as it's the fashionable thing to do nowadays, but has anyone actually bothered to read the damned bill? Much, if not all, of this outrage is completely manufactured bull****.It is my understanding that none of the things listed in this story are actually what the bill is about, or actually does. It doesn't attack atheists or homos-xuals by preserving state marriage licensing for the theistic heteros-xual, nor does it make religious figures the only ones that can issue what would otherwise be a "marriage license". It does none of that.What it really does, is take the state out of the marriage licensing game altogether, and instead allows for marriage certificates to be created by either ordained ministers of any denominational church or judges (sitting or retired). These certificates do not specify "man" and "woman" in the name fields of the statutory marriage certificate, instead labeling the fields "first/second party" and "first/second spouse". It does not define marriage along gender/s-x or s-xual orientation lines in any way.Section 7.A. Except as provided in subsection E of this section, marriages must be contracted by a formal ceremony performed or solemnized in the presence of at least two adult, competent persons as witnesses, by a judge or retired judge of any court in this state, or an ordained or authorized preacher or minister of the Gospel, priest or other ecclesiastical dignitary of any denomination who has been duly ordained or authorized by the church to which he or she belongs to preach the Gospel, or a rabbi and who is at least eighteen (18) years of age.....E. Marriages not contracted by a formal ceremony pursuant to subsection A of this section may be acknowledged by filing an affidavit of common law marriage with the court clerk. The affidavit of common law marriage shall be signed by both parties, notarized with official seal affixed and include:The bill also, in its current iteration, allows for the filing of an affidavit of common law marriage with the clerk, which the bill decrees shall serve as the same proof of marriage or identification that a previous marriage license would.Section 9-B. Any entity requiring proof of identity or marital status shall accept a certified copy of the marriage certificate or affidavit of common law marriage that has been filed with the court clerk. Any reference in the Oklahoma Statutes requiring a marriage license as proof of identity or marital status shall be interpreted to include a marriage certificate or affidavit of common law marriage executed on ^or after November 1, 2015This is all well within the rights of the Sovereign State of Oklahoma under the 10th Amendment. Marriage is not a power relegated to Congress, the President, or the federal Judiciary in any way, and it is thus up to individual states to regulate how they see fit.This unyielding need people have to be upset about things they don't even understand on a basic ****ing levelis galling. The authors of this article should be ashamed of themselves, as should everyone spewing bull**** filth. angry fella here I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16 ENGR/hB/HB1125 ENGR.PDF here is the bill if anyone wants to read it. i think i should change the title of the thread because it might be BS I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,521 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Oh, atheists believe in marriage which is a concept originally based on religious teachings? (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ✧*:･ﾟ ˢᵖᵉᵉᵈ ᵃⁿᵈ ʷᵉⁱᵍʰᵗ (*´艸｀*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 i think i should change the title of the thread because it might be BS Yes, atheist or broad minded judges and clergy can still marry atheists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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