Melech 9,900 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 You are talking about 1,6 billion people on this planet and religion that is over 1400 years old. Are you talking about nuking all Muslim world??It's interesting that you are the one approving of Iraq invasion which resulted in deaths of million people and which created groups like IS. You consider American sniper, a murderer of over 200 "dirty savage Iraqis" - as hero; how is he any different than Jihadi John? What kind of double standards. Terrorism won't disappear even if all religion disappears. Because there are clearly other factors involved. You are just being hateful.​The invasion of Iraq is not the only reason why IS was created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 127,401 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Let's sum it - you can't be different in any country.Do this video as a Jewish or a Christian in a Muslim country and you will get the same results.Try to go inside an orthodox Jewish neighborhood around the world or in Israel as a Muslim/Christian/non-orthodox Jew, and you will get the same results too.Hate is hate, and it's everywhere, not only in Europe.And this video, brings more hate. I wonder what this guy thinks about gays............... So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 ​The invasion of Iraq is not the only reason why IS was created. It would not exist in Saddam's Iraq, no matter how big tyrant he was, some shiites would rather have him back than what they have today. After American invasion of Iraq, the power was given to shiia minority, saddam's army was all fired, jobless military officers took all the weapons they could get. They joined to rebbels in Syria. Rebbels which were funded by US to overthrow Assad. Fraction of rebbels separates, unkown guy pronounced as "caliph"; funds, extortion, hostage ransoms, oil fields help in creation of biggest self-funded terror based organisations.They use orange jumpsuits for hostages, because many of them have been tortured in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and this is how prisoners were dressed there. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Let's sum it - you can't be different in any country.Do this video as a Jewish or a Christian in a Muslim country and you will get the same results.Try to go inside an orthodox Jewish neighborhood around the world or in Israel as a Muslim/Christian/non-orthodox Jew, and you will get the same results too.Hate is hate, and it's everywhere, not only in Europe.And this video, brings more hate. I wonder what this guy thinks about gays...............It doesn't really matter what he THINKS. If he's not violent towards anyone he doesn't deserve the treatment he gets only because of his religious garments.Same goes for members of any religion.No one said that only Europe has issues with xenophobia. That doesn't excuse anyone tho.We as society should work on getting things better, not only to point fingers in different direction. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 It doesn't really matter what he THINKS. If he's not violent towards anyone he doesn't deserve the treatment he gets only because of his religious garments.Same goes for members of any religion.No one said that only Europe has issues with xenophobia. That doesn't excuse anyone tho.We as society should work on getting things better, not only to point fingers in different direction. So I can be against Islam when I'm not violent and only think that? (I'm not against islam) It would not exist in Saddam's Iraq, no matter how big tyrant he was, some shiites would rather have him back than what they have today. After American invasion of Iraq, the power was given to shiia minority, saddam's army was all fired, jobless military officers took all the weapons they could get. They joined to rebbels in Syria. Rebbels which were funded by US to overthrow Assad. Fraction of rebbels separates, unkown guy pronounced as "caliph"; funds, extortion, hostage ransoms, oil fields help in creation of biggest self-funded terror based organisations.They use orange jumpsuits for hostages, because many of them have been tortured in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and this is how prisoners were dressed there.​It is one factor,yes, as I said, but there are also tons of other factors. It's a complicated and you can't give one thing the fault of all. ​ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 So I can be against Islam when I'm not violent and only think that? (I'm not against islam) ​It is one factor,yes, as I said, but there are also tons of other factors. It's a complicated and you can't give one thing the fault of all. ​ Yeah, you don't have to LIKE Muslims, the guy in the video or Islam. No one forces you to like them. If you don't discriminate against or use violence against things you don'l like, it's fine. You cannot force Chritians or Jews who believe that homos-xuality is a sin to change their beliefs, they have their own, you have your own. Like Gaga once said "keep your effing feelings to yourself". I didn't say it's only factor. But it is pretty big one, it's how many things started, how one thing led to another. And if you GLORIFY WAR (not you, the guy I quoted) and all the murders and torture that happened in that time, you just sound like a hypocrite (again, not you). FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yeah, you don't have to LIKE Muslims, the guy in the video or Islam. No one forces you to like them. If you don't discriminate against or use violence against things you don'l like, it's fine. You cannot force Chritians or Jews who believe that homos-xuality is a sin to change their beliefs, they have their own, you have your own. Like Gaga once said "keep your effing feelings to yourself". ​Oh yes, I agree with that. As long as you don't discriminate it, but you shouldn't teach children that homos-xuality is wrong, I think. (no matter what religion ofc) I didn't say it's only factor. But it is pretty big one, it's how many things started, how one thing led to another. And if you GLORIFY WAR (not you, the guy I quoted) and all the murders and torture that happened in that time, you just sound like a hypocrite (again, not you). Oh yes, I agree with that of course as well. The invasion is a big factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Why do people dress up religious and go to public space looking for reactions? Isn't religion something that should be kept private? Why would you tell EVERYONE that you love God? Why does it matter? Why be such an attention wh0re?Dressing up religiously should be banned. /thread /life​Religious freedom is one of the most important things in a democracy. Those kind of rules fit in China, North Korea and the Middle East (ironically). Not in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Why nobody never talk about the fact that in here some (not all but there are several) muslim people demand to take off Crucifixes, Xmas threes and Native scenes from schools and public places that are symbols of our culture (not only religious)?Why the people who talk about 'justice', never post articles of Muslim families that kill or burn with acid their daughters because they wanted to live in here with Western habits of the country that they chose to live (thing that happened in here) or because they had a relationship with a not-muslim person?It's easy post a video like that and point the finger to a nation but you never talk about the other side of the issue. In here a lot of schools has stopped to make Xmas threes or the living representation of the native scene, typical thing that children love to do in elementary and middle school, because it doesn't 'represent all the religions or cultures' by demand of those people, but it represents the our.But then we have to respect at the maximum levels their religion that it's not the our and instead they demand to take off the symbols of the others, this is wrong and also this create 'prejudices' between people.You can't talk only about xenophobia of others countries and not about the fact that there's a big part of those people that don't want to integrate in the society that they chose to live, this is a double standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
River 127,401 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 It doesn't really matter what he THINKS. If he's not violent towards anyone he doesn't deserve the treatment he gets only because of his religious garments.Same goes for members of any religion.No one said that only Europe has issues with xenophobia. That doesn't excuse anyone tho.We as society should work on getting things better, not only to point fingers in different direction.To THINK - this is the beginning of all the mess and all the hate!You don't need to THINK if you like X kind of person, just love this person.Thoughts and words are worst than violence.And you need to point fingers, you need to tell Muslims, Jewish, Christians - you are WRONG too! so don't complain if people hates you, if you hate too!Here an example that you probably very familiar with:When you see a Jewish that says "I hate muslims, they are all pigs, this is what I THINK" - is it correct? this is what he thinks. but then he complains when a French (example..) politician says that he hates Jews, about how antisemitic this politician - do you feel bad about him that people hates him? So sploosh your juice all over me you Riverboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 To THINK - this is the beginning of all the mess and all the hate!You don't need to THINK if you like X kind of person, just love this person.Thoughts and words are worst than violence.And you need to point fingers, you need to tell Muslims, Jewish, Christians - you are WRONG too! so don't complain if people hates you, if you hate too!Here an example that you probably very familiar with:When you see a Jewish that says "I hate muslims, they are all pigs, this is what I THINK" - is it correct? this is what he thinks. but then he complains when a French (example..) politician says that he hates Jews, about how antisemitic this politician - do you feel bad about him that people hates him? I already said they're wrong too, in a video of Jewish man in Paris, you'll notice different kind of reactions than here. Why is that?Should I say, hmm I wonder what that Jewish man thinks of bombing Gaza or treatment of Palestinians, before I condemn antisemitism and people spitting on him? No.I don't care what his views are, if he's just walking, he shouldn't be harassed. End of story.Thinking or disliking something or someone is different from calling to/inciting violence.You cannot own people's thoughts and feelings. Maybe your nice behaviour will change his/her mind.And funny thing about this video, this man is called Isis terrorist or Taliban, both stereotypes from the media - not result of interraction with immigrants; just shows that those who insult don't have much contact with different than them.Neither IS nor Taliban dress like this, this is more Emirati/Saudi style. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmm 979 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 ​You won't even able to things like that in cities like this. But of course it's always the evil West. ​Why did you post a very similar video about the experience of a Jewish person (in Paris I think - the location isn't really important) and want sympathy regarding it, yet not show the same towards the people involved here - discrimination and stereotyping is wrong in all its forms and excuses shouldn't be made for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Why nobody never talk about the fact that in here some (not all but there are several) muslim people demand to take off Crucifixes, Xmas threes and Native scenes from schools and public places that are symbols of our culture (not only religious)?Why the people who talk about 'justice', never post articles of Muslim families that kill or burn with acid their daughters because they wanted to live in here with Western habits of the country that they chose to live (thing that happened in here) or because they had a relationship with a not-muslim person?It's easy post a video like that and point the finger to a nation but you never talk about the other side of the issue. In here a lot of schools has stopped to make Xmas threes or the living representation of the native scene, typical thing that children love to do in elementary and middle school, because it doesn't 'represent all the religions or cultures' by demand of those people, but it represents the our.But then we have to respect at the maximum levels their religion that it's not the our and instead they demand to take off the symbols of the others, this is wrong and also this create 'prejudices' between people.You can't talk only about xenophobia of others countries and not about the fact that there's a big part of those people that don't want to integrate in the society that they chose to live, this is a double standard. ​I think that that's a weak argument. 'look at the mistakes of your own country before you point out ours!'. We live in Europe, and the fact that some things happen in the Middle East (which is stuck in the Middle Ages) doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight the issues in Europe (which seemingly is going to go back to the 20th century if nationalist parties keep getting bigger rather than liberal and progressive parties). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 ​I think that that's a weak argument. 'look at the mistakes of your own country before you point out ours!'. We live in Europe, and the fact that some things happen in the Middle East (which is stuck in the Middle Ages) doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight the issues in Europe (which seemingly is going to go back to the 20th century if nationalist parties keep getting bigger rather than liberal and progressive parties).You didn't get my argument at all.All my argument is about the people that demand or do that when they're in Europe, I didn't talk or refer about what they do in their original country.I'm talking about the people who left their original country and they moved to another with a totally different culture and they don't accept the traditions, habits and the culture of the country that they chose to moved on, and that is a big issue connected with intolerance. You can't demand that people accept and respect your different religious dress, but then you're the first that don't accept a Xmas three or a crucifix in a shop or school or other Western habits, that it's the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 ​Why did you post a very similar video about the experience of a Jewish person (in Paris I think - the location isn't really important) and want sympathy regarding it, yet not show the same towards the people involved here - discrimination and stereotyping is wrong in all its forms and excuses shouldn't be made for it. ​Of course discrimination is wrong. But it's still worth to mention how Westerners (including Jews and liberal Muslims) would be treated in Muslim countries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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