Born This Way is criminally overrated by this fan base.

[Versace 7,960]

It's so funny that before AP, everyone hated BTW. Instill remember people hoping AP will be the career saver after the destruction caused by BTW. I agree with you, after AP didn't do as well as everyone anticipated, then all of a sudden they love BTW.

​I love you for spilling this TEA. LOL hun I use to have an account back in 2011 when BTW came out you should have seen the meltdowns, way worse than ARTPOP. Half of the fanbase left lol. Some hated BTW with passion and dragged it to the pits if only those threads are here for people to see.

[migamiga 12,101]

That's cause TFM Stans have left us :giveup:

[Versace 7,960]

​Nope. I'll take the 15 track masterpiece called ARTPOP over the 8 track half amazing half basic TFM.

Speechless, Teeth, and Telephone are almost half of that album and they are all worse than the worst track on ARTPOP (Donatella) and people will deal.

​Lol opinions are like assholes not all of them are clean what is this messy opinion seriously

Donatella better than speechless, teeth and Telephone ft Queen B

No boo we won't deal

 

[blacklistedd 599]

After seeing tons of fans dragging ARTPOP, I realized that most people think btw is her best album. I love the album, but a lot of the material is sub-par. Judas sounds like a rehash of bad romance in terms of theme and production, born this way sounds an awful lot like express yourself. Fans say that ARTPOP wasn't 100% original, but neither was btw. Judas' beat was bought from another artist, and many questioned how much of the album was "influenced" by Madonna. ARTPOP, after being dubbed a flop was completely altered. When it leaked, I remember post after post saying it was her best work, now it's a taboo thing to even say. Born this way was disliked by many in the fan base, but everyone seems to have forgotten.

​First I need to address the bolded because ive seen other threads here recently bring this falsehood up and then ill address everything else that bothers me about your post: its not at all true that everyone loved ARTPOP at first listen and was dubbing it her best work. Not at all true. The fanbase was pretty divided about it and quite harsh towards the record on first listen and many people were threatening to cancel their pre-orders. It was pretty annoying. many users that used to walk these forums previous to ARTPOPs release are now gone and we have a new crop. So some of you need to stop perpetuating that because its not true. However, im sure there are fans that liked it on first listen and dont like it now. but plenty of people have done that with born this way AND the fame monster and every pop album thats ever been released sans Beyonce and Lana because people act like they do no wrong.

Now to continue, Judas does not sound like a rehash of Bad Romance. Judas is similar and one of her best tracks imo. Yes, she has a common sonic narrative that links all of her records but *lightbulb* thats because they're all Lady Gaga records! People are such idiots when they go on about certain artists music or songs sounding the same its like ****ing duh, they have a sound, they have a style. Theres a pretty clear and distinct difference when an artist is authentic in their music and when someone is solely trying to cash in on the success of a previous song. Gaga is not inauthentic.

Born This Way sounds like Express Yourself to a certain extent, that being said I thought DJWS' comments on people reception of that to be spot ****ing on. Theres a million songs on the radio by different artists that all use the exact same beat and yet people are on BTW for sounding like a 20+ year old song, they had to reach that far back to find anything that sounded like it. Thats saying something. And to be honest, i've never liked Express Yourself. Born This Way is better imo.

And im so over the album being influenced by Madonna thing, when it comes to the 80s pop inspired portions it sounds so ****ing Whitney and thats exactly who she said inspired the album. The only particularly Madonna sounding tracks to me I guess were Sheisse and Black Jesus Amen Fashion (which sounds far more like EY than Born This Way did). People are just always on Madonnas dick for supposedly inventing the pop star and she and they compare every living female pop artist to her as if everyones ripping her off. And Madonna stans are very vocal and proactive in poisoning peoples minds to believe she is the be all end all of pop music. Its just not the case here.

That whole essay response being said, before you try to brand me a Born This Way stan. Im stating for the record that I think her best work is still The Fame Monster and shes yet to top it. And let me also state for the record, if you personally think Born This Way is whatever thats all good. But I just don't agree with your reasoning. I like ARTPOP, but I think as a whole Born This Way is stronger for a multitude of reasons.

[blacklistedd 599]

It's so funny that before AP, everyone hated BTW. Instill remember people hoping AP will be the career saver after the destruction caused by BTW. I agree with you, after AP didn't do as well as everyone anticipated, then all of a sudden they love BTW.

​This isn't true though. The majority of fans that hated Born This Way left this forum already. ARTPOP divided the base and now theres a good deal of users that are no longer here because of it. Of course, there are dumb pop stans that inhabit these forums that base their opinions on others' opinions. But I keep seeing this lie being perpetuated that soo many people only changed their minds about ARTPOP after the fact, its just not true. A great deal of fans didn't like it upon leak/release and those people are no longer here or are still here and saying the same thing.

[Bear 7,515]

I think the rating are pretty spot on. I mean I think it's her strongest album: plenty of originality, timeless-reto vibe to it that means you can play it again and again, bops and ballads, great message/concepts, the full album flows and is coherent, and very few songs that you'd skip (FOHL  ). Just my opinion though. 

[destructivelove 563]

So essentially.  Your logic is...judas had a beat that was bought, and born this way sounded like an old song.  So the entire album is "overrated" because of two songs, which are both bops regardless.  As many have said.  Bye 

[Whiskey Mouth 322]

born this way is her best album. /end thread

[Dorothy Gale 7,575]

So essentially.  Your logic is...judas had a beat that was bought, and born this way sounded like an old song.  So the entire album is "overrated" because of two songs, which are both bops regardless.  As many have said.  Bye 

Sorry, but when people bash ap for the fact that Donatella and MJH may have been pre-made, I think bashing btw for Judas is fair enough. Also, the album has many 'bops' but also has some songs that aren't. 

[Luiz 4,253]

the fame monster was my favorite, BTW was ok but like half the album was  

ARTPOP is still her worst imo

[Dangerous Man 9,245]

and ARTPOP is criminally underrated by these little managers.

 

But yeah, TFM>>>>>>>Born This Way

[Burim 316]

Well I'm not saying that BTW is her best work. But in my opinion it is and it's my favorite album of all time by any artist and the reason is because of all the rock influences. Let's just forget the songs that everyone loves and think about the hidden gems in that album like the queen. That. Is. My. Jam!

I personally enjoyed every minute of ARTPOP and I was kinda shocked when fans started to drag like there's no tomorrow. I'm one of those quite members but I'm here since GGD 1.0 and what happened?! People loved her work and respected her visions. Now everything she does gets dragged. Or when they found out that Donatella was originally another song. They called it a 'scandal' but it happens all the time! And gaga always did that. And even if she didn't. Why would it be so scandolous? People started to care about charts. Why?! Please Jesus tell me why I just don't get it. I know I'm getting off topic right now but I just have to let this out. I don't give a damn about the charts and I don't give a damn if people say ARTPOP flopped. I enjoy the music and support gaga. And I really don't give one single **** about those little twinks crying just because there's another artist who has more success. As if it would affect them in any way. 

 

OT: you're right some people get excited when new stuff leaks just like when the demo of Mary Jane Holland leaked and people started to say that the demo is soooooo much better than the album version. Sorry but that's just absurd. The final version has way more work in it. And you really do not have to justify ARTPOP's beauty. I've learned that there will always be someone who starts to 'drag' or reply with 'ok' because they are so funny and need attention in a ****ing forum. Just enjoy the music really. It's just listening to good music tho. You do not have to justify anything. 

[AyaKara 2,281]

Were you here when BTW came out? Everyone hated it, and reviewers even mentioned how disappointed her fanbase was. I was one of the few here who loved BTW from the start. There were literally 'Who is happy with BTW?' threads. After ARTPOP, a lot of people realized how great BTW is.

[HANZ 4,380]

 

You always speak the truth 

 

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[JazzGa 14,621]

False. It is impossible to overrate the Album of the Decade  

I have found that BTW gets better as time goes on. Yeah sure some of it was campy and bad (I hate Bad Kids and FOHL personally) but I think 10 years down the road it will be better appreciated for how unique, weird, and legendary it sounded. Just the other day I was appreciating what a s-xy club bop Electric Chapel is even though that wasn't one of the songs I particularly cared for then the album came out. It's musical insanity in places (Highway Unicorn's HUGE drum breakdown in the chorus??? Gregorian monks chanting GA-GA??? A demonic Dutch John F. Kennedy ordering us to "back up and turn around, hands on the ground"???) but I think the insanity will be remembered better than yet another Cool-Whip Lite breezy summer 4-chorder, watered down hiphop/trap/electro club banger featuring literally any rapper ever, or feel-good retro mom groove that is saturating the radio the past few years.

I do find it funny how many people HATED BTW when it came out and it seemed like everyone was saying TFM was her best album... now it looks like the majority think BTW is her best. Maybe all the BTW stans flooded into this thread to defend ha tho