Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/14/bill-maher-turns-obamacare-it-s-more-expensive-too-confusingI know that my health ins. bill has gone up and deductables are bigger.Like they are sayn' it has helped some people, but made things worse for others.Again, the rich aren't really affected.Also, insurance companies are taking advantage of the 'mandatory' revenue that has been stipulated and aren't competing for customers. Hence, prices keep going up. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,667 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 My family is paying more now too since the law went into effect. I see how this is good for some, but it isn't good for my family. This is what happens when you have all these private insurance companies no longer competing as much for customers. They are just gonna hike up the prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie-kun 1,765 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I watch Bill Maher and I've never seen him as a "champion" of Obamacare as the article states. He's always stated that Obamacare, while an improvement from the previous system, was not the solution because it was too friendly to insurance companies and that what America needs is a single payer system, which is basically what he said in this clip. He's not "changing his tone" at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JbGaga 2,261 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Well on one could have seen this coming.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,410 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The insurance companies are still competing; I dunno why you'd say that. And overall prices have not gone up -- or rather, they have, but at a lower year-to-year rate than they had been doing (a rate much higher than overall inflation), so they're lower than what they would've been without the ACA. Of course, this doesn't speak to individual situations; and with almost any reform, not everyone is going to benefit. But as a policy, you can only evaluate it statistically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMonster5 74 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The real beneficiaries of Obamacare are the poor people not working which will get free health insurance, and the people that crank out 5 to 8 kids but can't afford to take care of them but Obamacare will cover them for free too. Also, it benefits people that are really sick and have a previous medical condition who has not save enough money to take care of themselves so now they rely on other healthy people paying premiums but rarely use the services. So the people that are screwed are the healthy people that's working but have to pay into a health system that they will rarely use. How about we allow people to put that $4K/year of health insurance into an IRA which the people can take out when they need for healthcare? Most healthy people would rather do that than waste $4K/year on insurance that they may not need, but Obama want to take their money and give it the poor people and sick people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Day 5,766 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 They should do away with Obamacare and introduce the Free at the point health service like us here in Scotland :P Together You And I! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,410 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Most healthy people would rather do that than waste $4K/year on insurance that they may not need, but Obama want to take their money and give it the poor people and sick people.Yeah, shame on him for wanting to help the people who actually need help! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,854 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The insurance companies are still competing; I dunno why you'd say that. And overall prices have not gone up -- or rather, they have, but at a lower year-to-year rate than they had been doing (a rate much higher than overall inflation), so they're lower than what they would've been without the ACA. Of course, this doesn't speak to individual situations; and with almost any reform, not everyone is going to benefit. But as a policy, you can only evaluate it statistically.its not just the Federal Cost or premiums. U gotta take into account what its doing to the economy and private sector Weve had a disporportionately high number of jobs being created being part time. Job creation has accelerated the past 1-2 years but so much is part-time and thats probably why total job creation is up cause companies are splittig positions into 2. Many ppl need 2 jobs now to make the same amount of money Companies dont wanna have to cover workers to they hire part-time now if they can. Its not healthy. We were warned this would happen but nobody listened. Its like ppl didnt believe greedy companies wouldnt try to get around Obama care with more part-timers :roll: I think it would of been better off to just increase funding to medicaid and expand the number of ppl that are qualified to use it. Obama care is doing too much damage :MANiCURE: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 The insurance companies are still competing; I dunno why you'd say that. And overall prices have not gone up -- or rather, they have, but at a lower year-to-year rate than they had been doing (a rate much higher than overall inflation), so they're lower than what they would've been without the ACA. Of course, this doesn't speak to individual situations; and with almost any reform, not everyone is going to benefit. But as a policy, you can only evaluate it statistically.Not in the sense that they are trying to get more customers. They know that people are forced to pay for insurance or be penalized. So why should they try to offer better service for a lower price. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qualle1 1,385 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Thank God I am living in Germany, where nearly every employee is automatically in health insurance coverage. MAKE LOVE NOT WAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,410 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Not in the sense that they are trying to get more customers. They know that people are forced to pay for insurance or be penalized. So why should they try to offer better service for a lower price.People are forced to get insurance, but not from any particular provider. There are still multiple insurance providers rivaling for each customer. Saying that they aren't competing is like saying grocery stores don't compete because everyone has to eat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share Posted February 15, 2015 People are forced to get insurance, but not from any particular provider. There are still multiple insurance providers rivaling for each customer. Saying that they aren't competing is like saying grocery stores don't compete because everyone has to eat.Okay, thats fine. But there are no cost balancing regulations. And the competition is for mass quanitiy not quality, which is the point. Obamacare needs to be tweaked to fullfill the orginal promises or scraped for and impoved system. Currently, the red tape and obvious regulatory shortcomings means that the middle class is getting the shaft. *again* like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMonster5 74 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Yeah, shame on him for wanting to help the people who actually need help! Not at the expensive of healthy hard-working people since those people may want to put $4K/year into an IRA or a Health Saving Plan for their use. If that person stay healthy that year, that $4K in insurance premium is lost forever, while the IRA and Health Saving Plan would grow year after year for them to use for whatever needs. In 10 years, those people would have $40K (more with dividends & interest) in their IRA and Health Saving Plan. Obama is a multi-millionaire but he's getting free health insurance from the government. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Not at the expensive of healthy hard-working people since those people may want to put $4K/year into an IRA or a Health Saving Plan for their use. If that person stay healthy that year, that $4K in insurance premium is lost forever, while the IRA and Health Saving Plan would grow year after year for them to use for whatever needs. In 10 years, those people would have $40K (more with dividends & interest) in their IRA and Health Saving Plan. Obama is a multi-millionaire but he's getting free health insurance from the government. LOLMostlikely the profits from medicine and exams and and and and ... go right into the doctor or administrators vacation fund. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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