Melech 9,900 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 A Montana homeowner has been sentenced to 70 years in prison for killing an unarmed German exchange student who trespassed in his garage. Markus Kaarma shot 17-year-old Diren Dede in April last year in a case that sparked outrage in Germany and tested the conservative state's "stand your ground" law. The 30 year-old, convicted of deliberate homicide in December, was told he would not get parole for at least 20 years. Diren's father, Celal Dede, was at the hearing, along with Diren's host parents in Missoula, where the shooting occurred. "It is justice. I am not happy. My son is dead," Mr Dede said after Thursday's sentencing. District Judge Ed McLean earlier denied a request for a new trial after Kaarma's lawyers argued that "inflammatory" media coverage had made it impossible for their client to receive a fair hearing. Kaarma told the judge: "I'm sorry my actions caused the death of Mr Dede." Diren had been due to return in a few weeks to his native Hamburg after a stint studying at a Missoula high school when he was killed. Prosecutors said Kaarma had been intent on luring an intruder into his garage, leaving it partially open on the night he shot Diren four times with a shotgun. Detectives said the first three shots were fired low and seemed to follow Diren as he moved across the garage. The fourth shot was aimed higher and struck the teenager in the head. Kaarma had installed motion detectors and a baby monitor days before the shooting and deliberately left a purse filled with cash and other items in the garage on the day Diren was killed, the trial heard. Neighbours testified that Kaarma's girlfriend, Janelle Pflager, told them of the couple's plans to bait and catch a burglar. Prosecutor Karla Painter asked Ms Pflager if she had said during a phone call with Kaarma in jail that the couple wouldn't pay for the body of the Dedes' "dirty rat son" to be shipped back to Germany for his funeral. Ms Pflager said she could not recall having made such a remark. Prosecutors also said Kaarma had lost legal protection for his actions under Montana law when he left his house to corner Diren in the garage. But his lawyers argued their client had feared for his life and did not know if the intruder was armed. They said he was anxious because his garage had been burgled at least once in the weeks before his encounter with the German student. The trial tested the extent of self-defence laws governing the use of deadly force to defend life and property. More than 30 US states have laws expanding the self-defence principle known as the "castle doctrine". In handing down the stiff sentence, District Judge Ed McLean said Kaarma went beyond safeguarding his home when he fired his pump-action shotgun four times, hitting the intruder in the head with the final blast. "You didn't protect your residence, you went hunting," McLean said. "And here you have a 12-gauge shotgun that's loaded. Not to protect your family but to go after somebody." Police were monitoring Kaarmas jail communications. In a late-December conversation, "he referred to himself as an American hero, but said he wasn't being treated as a hero," said Det. Guy Baker. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/12/montana-homeowner-prison-killing-teen-trespasser/23309195/ justice for that sick men Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoxo cupcakke 4,781 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I remember reading about this. What a stupid, foul and xenophobic man. Just plain disgusting what he did and to someone who had their whole life ahead of them Strangely ironic his last name is Kaarma Also, I find it said that this man received a sentencing and not Zimmerman, that disgusting swine even more disgusting than 100 Perez Hiltons gossiping about another 100 Perez Hiltons. I'm flabergasted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,282 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Homeowner seems like an odd title. Asshole sounds better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 yay america Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 And people wonder how "stand your ground" laws can be abused :sweep: This isnt the first example ive heard or seen either 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 stand your ground is a disgusting set of laws that need to be abolished ASAp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,282 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Stand your ground didn't fail here though. He was convicted... If anything this shows that you can't take advantadge of the law without consequence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Stand your ground didn't fail here though. He was convicted... If anything this shows that you can't take advantadge of the law without consequence. If Stand Your Ground didn't exist, he wouldn't have thought to shoot him as a first line of defense. The existence of SYG is what enabled this to happened. He's now facing the consequences, but the kid is still dead. SYG failed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 USA! USA! USA! USA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,282 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 If Stand Your Ground didn't exist, he wouldn't have thought to shoot him as a first line of defense. The existence of SYG is what enabled this to happened. He's now facing the consequences, but the kid is still dead. SYG failed here. You are trying to tell me this guy used logic in his decision to murder someone and I'm not gonna buy that. Crazy people be crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 stand your ground is a disgusting set of laws that need to be abolished ASAp Stand Your Ground is fine and has very good intentions. You shouldn't have to make every attempt to run away if someone is attacking you (most people can't run faster than bullets). Duty to retreat is disgusting. There are problems with some of the current implementations of SYG. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Also, I find it said that this man received a sentencing and not Zimmerman, that disgusting swine even more disgusting than 100 Perez Hiltons gossiping about another 100 Perez Hiltons. I'm flabergasted Simple. He couldn't make the case that Diren was on top of him, beating him, and that he needed deadly force for self-defense. I don't think Zimmerman's defense even depended on Stand your Ground. This guy thought he could shoot on sight, just because an intruder was in his garage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Stand Your Ground is fine and has very good intentions. You shouldn't have to make every attempt to run away if someone is attacking you (most people can't run faster than bullets). Duty to retreat is disgusting. There are problems with some of the current implementations of SYG. Stand Your Ground, in theory, is a respectable idea. But lack of gun control, lack of education, and issues with the American legal system make it a disaster. I don't agree with your second statement. First and foremost, SYG encourages people to shoot as a first line of offense. It's a neoliberal position. Instead of reach out to police, people take matters into their own hands when they have no experience assessing these types of situations. More importantly, why do we believe that lethal force is a legitimate first line of response? Furthermore, there have been numerous incidents where the victim WASN'T attacking someone and the shooter's life wasn't in danger (like this one). This is an imperfect implementation of a questionable law that has no place in our society at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 When people buy a gun, they should have to pass a test about the limits of when they can use deadly force similar in rigour to driving instruction and tests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goosey 3,017 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 First and foremost, SYG encourages people to shoot as a first line of offense. It's a neoliberal position. Instead of reach out to police, people take matters into their own hands when they have no experience assessing these types of situations.This type of person doesn't understand the law whatever it may be. More importantly, why do we believe that lethal force is a legitimate first line of response? Furthermore, there have been numerous incidents where the victim WASN'T attacking someone and the shooter's life wasn't in danger (like this one).Lethal force is a legitimate first response to imminent serious bodily harm or death. SYG laws didn't protect this man from his 70 years in jail. "I am the world's greatest person that does not want to let people into the country."—US President Donald J. Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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