Michelle Obama snubbed by Saudi Royals after she refuses to wear Veil

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This whole story, as it was reported by some media, is a mess, in fact there was no drama whatsoever, according to the NYTime:

 

Praised for a Bold Stand She Didn’t Take
Michelle Obama actually observed longstanding diplomatic protocol by not covering her hair during a visit with the new leader of Saudi Arabia this week.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/world/middleeast/michelle-obama-praised-for-bold-stand-she-did-not-take.html

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Why is she standing far away from her husband.  She looks like she was put in the corner. So, why even bother coming?

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Slay Michelle

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i don't think it's a double standard, you're conflating two separate points rather than demonstrating hypocrisy about the same thing. one is about assimilation within a country as a citizen, and the other is a US representative visiting another country. michelle is an envoy of the united states to saudi arabia. that's not what immigrants are when they immigrate.

Yep. :applause:

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i don't think it's a double standard, you're conflating two separate points rather than demonstrating hypocrisy about the same thing. one is about assimilation within a country as a citizen, and the other is a US representative visiting another country. michelle is an envoy of the united states to saudi arabia. that's not what immigrants are when they immigrate.

 

Thanks I was about to post this

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This. And hypocrisy of some members.

 

You should worry about the hypocrisy of your posts in first when you say inappropriate things about other cultures and countries.

 

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You should worry about the hypocrisy of your posts in first when you say inappropriate things about other cultures and countries.

It's interesting that you found yourself in my post. ;)

I don't even need to mention any names.

What exactly did I say about other cultures and how do you know what culture I'm coming from? What exactly was inappropriate?

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i don't think it's a double standard, you're conflating two separate points rather than demonstrating hypocrisy about the same thing. one is about assimilation within a country as a citizen, and the other is a US representative visiting another country. michelle is an envoy of the united states to saudi arabia. that's not what immigrants are when they immigrate.

It's the same thing. Those who are vocal about "backwardness" of islamic clothes don't care whether muslim woman who is passing by has residence permit or tourist visa, they say "When you're in Rome, do as Romans do..." right? Well same should apply to any Western woman visiting muslim country. Except in this case, Westerners are seen as superior, if she refuses - she is praised as brave. But funny thing is, she wasn't even obliged to cover up, as wrong parts of the story are bolded, to create drama for nothing.

Obama was not the first powerful U.S. woman to choose not to cover her head, but she was the most high-profile in recent years. The female members of the U.S. delegation, including Susan Rice, Condoleezza Rice, Anita Decker Breckenridge, and Jen Palmieri also did not cover their heads, although former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not cover her head during a 2011 meeting with Abdullah in New York. In 2006, former first lady Laura Bush also chose to show her head during a trip to Saudi Arabia to visit the king.

Members of the press traveling with the president were told it was not necessary to wear a headscarf.

So courageous. #RebelHeart

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It's interesting that you found yourself in my post. ;)

I don't even need to mention any names.

What exactly did I say about other cultures and how do you know what culture I'm coming from? What exactly was inappropriate?

 

So everytime that a member quote a post, it means that the subject is about him? Very clever and smart You're saying that, not me.

I just point out that you should apply and worry about the things that you said in first instead of trying to educate people.

 

Using your same tricks: I don't even need to mention the things that you constantly said because everybody knows them.

 

[lego 44,165]

So everytime that a member quote a post, it means that the subject is about him? Very clever and smart You're saying that, not me.

I just point out that you should apply and worry about the things that you said in first instead of trying to educate people.

Using your same tricks: I don't even need to mention the things that you constantly said because everybody knows them.

Or you don't need to mention them because they don't exist. :spin:

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It's the same thing. Those who are vocal about "backwardness" of islamic clothes don't care whether muslim woman who is passing by has residence permit or tourist visa, they say "When you're in Rome, do as Romans do..." right? Well same should apply to any Western woman visiting muslim country. Except in this case, Westerners are seen as superior, if she refuses - she is praised as brave. But funny thing is, she wasn't even obliged to cover up, as wrong parts of the story are bolded, to create drama for nothing.

 

 

 

With the MAIN BIG difference that in fact when they're in Rome they could dress with their traditional dresses even to enter in Churches, but not the contrary if I go there I can't wear what I want or my traditional Western outfits in the same way as I do in my country.

 

See you still don't get the point.

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It's the same thing. Those who are vocal about "backwardness" of islamic clothes don't care whether muslim woman who is passing by has residence permit or tourist visa, they say "When you're in Rome, do as Romans do..." right? Well same should apply to any Western woman visiting muslim country. Except in this case, Westerners are seen as superior, if she refuses - she is praised as brave. But funny thing is, she wasn't even obliged to cover up, as wrong parts of the story are bolded, to create drama for nothing.

 

 

So courageous. #RebelHeart

 

again i think you are conflating different points. of course there are people who think that islamic attire is backward and that doesn't matter whether they're a tourist or not. the issue is about the taboo surrounding not wearing them, or enforced wearing of islamic clothes. it's not that westerners are seen as superior, it's that they feel their view on equality and rights is superior (which is their own opinion and not inherently wrong) and to maintain such views in the face of strict and harsh regimes could be seen as brave. she is standing in front of head chopping medieval maniacs after all. but of course they were wrong about it since it's already been done and for someone of her stature it isn't taboo at all. the point would stand if she were a normal citizen perhaps.

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So courageous. #RebelHeart

 

Cheap and stupid Irony.

 

The fact that she wasn't forced or that she has the possibility to not wear it because of interantional accords, it doesn't change the fact that the people in there wanted to see her wear it for respect, OBVIOUSLY not everybody but a lot of people claiming that she has being disprectful.

 

Read all the article and not only the title or the parts that are more useful to prove your invalid points.

[lego 44,165]

With the MAIN BIG difference that in fact when they're in Rome they could dress with their traditional dresses even to enter in Churches, but not the contrary if I go there I can't wear what I want or my traditional Western outfits in the same way as I do in my country.

See you still don't get the point.

No, you don't get it. Different churches have different dressing codes. A Sikh with turban wouldn't be able to enter church where men are forbidden to cover their heads, for example.

And in general, as we see from your story, in the most conservative islamic country, western women are not required to wear a veil.

The point is that you want to impose your view on how women should dress both in West and East.

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again i think you are conflating different points. of course there are people who think that islamic attire is backward and that doesn't matter whether they're a tourist or not. the issue is about the taboo surrounding not wearing them, or enforced wearing of islamic clothes. it's not that westerners are seen as superior, it's that they feel their view on equality and rights is superior (which is their own opinion and not inherently wrong) and to maintain such views in the face of strict and harsh regimes could be seen as brave. she is standing in front of head chopping medieval maniacs after all. but of course they were wrong about it since it's already been done and for someone of her stature it isn't taboo at all. the point would stand if she were a normal citizen perhaps.

 

Agree, but the article also point out that for a lot of people in there (including some men at the ceremony) she has been disprectful and irrespectful either way to not wear it beside her position.