lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Maurice Sinet, 80, who works under the pen name Sine, faces charges of "inciting racial hatred" for a column he wrote last July in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. The piece sparked a summer slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine. "L'affaire Sine" followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president's son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: "He'll go a long way in life, that little lad." A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo's editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused, exclaiming: "I'd rather cut my balls off." Mr Val's decision to fire Sine was backed by a group of eminent intellectuals, including the philosopher Bernard-Henry L̩vy, but parts of the libertarian Left defended him, citing the right to free speech. Last week, the anti-capitalist, anti-clerical Sine, who recently founded his own weekly magazine, Sine Hebdo, took Claude Askolovitch, the journalist who first accused him of anti-Semitism, to court for slander in a separate case. "When I heard that I was being treated as anti-Semitic, my blood ran cold," he said during the trial, adding that if Mr Askolovitch had turned up in person, "it is not a trial he would have had but a head butt." Sine is the defendant in Tuesday's court case in Lyon, southern France. The plaintiff is the anti-racism and anti-Semitism group, Licra. The issue of anti-Semitism, already sensitive in a country still marked by the Alfred Dreyfus affair - the Jewish army captain wrongly accused of spying in the 19th century Рhas become even more charged in recent weeks due to Israel's Gaza offensive; France was hit by a series of anti-Semitic acts, including firebomb attacks on synagogues. The young Mr Sarkozy, who is now the leader of his father's party in the president's old fiefdom, the chic Paris suburb of Neuilly-sur-Seine, has since married. He has denied converting to Judaism.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4351672/French-cartoonist-Sine-on-trial-on-charges-of-anti-Semitism-over-Sarkozy-jibe.html Few years old, but kinda relevant again today. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,064 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. policing everyone to try and be more politically correct and "say the right things" as to not offend people is doing more harm than good. he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. policing everyone to try and be more politically correct and "say the right things" as to not offend people is doing more harm than good. he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. policing everyone to try and be more politically correct and "say the right things" as to not offend people is doing more harm than good. he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. policing everyone to try and be more politically correct and "say the right things" as to not offend people is doing more harm than good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SidDays 244 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 girl you better fix that quadruple post :spin: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkchylde 14,857 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 he has every right to post questionably offensive material though, i may not agree with it, but facing charges for his right to express himself is the basis of this whole issue. policing everyone to try and be more politically correct and "say the right things" as to not offend people is doing more harm than good. :excuseme: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Where is Simon to tell these people that they're oversensitive and stupid to complain or get offended. Why was the Charlie Habdo's cartoonist on trial? Where was freedom of speech then? Why is it ok to insult one group of people but not the other? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high heeled fem 3 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 :excuseme: i know makes no sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high heeled fem 3 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Where is Simon to tell these people that they're oversensitive and stupid to complain or get offended. Why was the Charlie Habdo's cartoonist on trial? Where was freedom of speech then? Why is it ok to insult one group of people but not the other? Really great thread, thanks for posting this really makes a interesting read, also i am not surprised to see this hopefully it helps ween out a bit of the denial factor, when you have evangelical's involved they often think their opinion is the only valid & ignore & jump through hoops when asked direct questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Really great thread, thanks for posting this really makes a interesting read, also i am not surprised to see this hopefully it helps ween out a bit of the denial factor, when you have evangelical's involved they often think their opinion is the only valid & ignore & jump through hoops when asked direct questions. He will just pretend he didn't see it. ;) FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Really great thread, thanks for posting this really makes a interesting read, also i am not surprised to see this hopefully it helps ween out a bit of the denial factor, when you have evangelical's involved they often think their opinion is the only valid & ignore & jump through hoops when asked direct questions. Wait a Second it's not allowed to criticise Islam but it's allowed for You to talk shiit about evangelicals? What kind of. a double standard. Anyway I'm not offended when people make cartoons about evangelicals or Jews. He will just pretend he didn't see it. ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Wait a Second it's not allowed to criticise Islam but it's allowed for You to talk shiit about evangelicals? What kind of. a double standard. Anyway I'm not offended when people make cartoons about evangelicals or Jews. You are lying. Both you and Dolev accused me of being antisemitic without any evidence. You didn't answer to any of my questions above. Why was this man fired? Are you gonna tell all the Jews who got insulted and took him to trial that they are oversensitive and stupid to complain or get offended? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You are lying. Both you and Dolev accused me of being antisemitic without any evidence. You didn't answer to any of my questions above. Why was this man fired? Are you gonna tell all the Jews who got insulted and took him to trial that they are oversensitive and stupid to complain or get offended? Well you've been anti Semitic, yes. The difference is that You don't draw cartoons and don't mean to be anti-semitic. Also Judaism is by far mit as cruel as some Branches like islam. Also It sounds like that that cartoonist used stereotypes of Jewish to slam their politican. It's simply not the same since they are not criticising the religion but only use prejudices to slam a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Well you've been anti Semitic, yes. The difference is that You don't draw cartoons and don't mean to be anti-semitic. Also Judaism is by far mit as cruel as some Branches like islam. Also It sounds like that that cartoonist used stereotypes of Jewish to slam their politican. It's simply not the same since they are not criticising the religion but only use prejudices to slam a person. excuses Where is freedom of speech in all that? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd-loves-colors 0 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Where is Simon to tell these people that they're oversensitive and stupid to complain or get offended. Why was the Charlie Habdo's cartoonist on trial? Where was freedom of speech then? Why is it ok to insult one group of people but not the other? "Why was the Charlie Habdo's cartoonist on trial?" >>> because someone (well, several people in this case, the organisation that was cited in the article) took legal action. Because you know, we have laws and a justice system in France. "Where was freedom of speech then?" As stated in the article, freedom of speech was his defence, and the argument of those who defended him. "Why is it ok to insult one group of people but not the other?" It is not - justice went in favor of the cartoonist, he was acquitted, as the incriminated cartoon wasn't legally considered anti-semitic. The real question would be "why was he fired, then ?" - and the answer is probably to be found somewhere in the world of political correctness and public opinion : the newspaper's director wanted to avoid bad press, but had to pay the Siné damages for breach of contract after he was acquitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 "Why was the Charlie Habdo's cartoonist on trial?" >>> because someone (well, several people in this case, the organisation that was cited in the article) took legal action. Because you know, we have laws and a justice system in France. "Where was freedom of speech then?" As stated in the article, freedom of speech was his defence, and the argument of those who defended him. "Why is it ok to insult one group of people but not the other?" It is not - justice went in favor of the cartoonist, he was acquitted, as the incriminated cartoon wasn't legally considered anti-semitic. The real question would be "why was he fired, then ?" - and the answer is probably to be found somewhere in the world of political correctness and public opinion : the newspaper's director wanted to avoid bad press, but had to pay the Siné damages for breach of contract after he was acquitted. How could justice go in his favour when he was fired from the magazine? The last one is interesting. All I see is - double standards. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd-loves-colors 0 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 How could justice go in his favour when he was fired from the magazine? The last one is interesting. All I see is - double standards. Justice isn't supposed to be controlled by private organisations - the newspaper's decision and the judge's decision have nothing to do with one another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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