Cher 15 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 OMG Edgy!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I'm telling you when she talks about it? Why are you being such an asshole? If you're not going to bother watching the entire part in which she talks about your precious idol, then you can't form an educated opinion on the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 OMG Edgy!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD She literally does explain a lot regarding the music/media and how it does apply to Iggy. You do actually need to watch the whole thing to get a grasp on what she's talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You keep saying that, but is that really thing? Im not trying to be rude or funny either. Probably not in Iggy's case. But yes, I've read detailed accounts of white leftists and liberals who who feel ashamed and guilty of their own race. It's popular to portray whites are the bad guys in certain circles. Recognizing you have certain privileges is not self-hating No, but the cases I have in mind go way beyond that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyFromSpace 20,883 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm telling you when she talks about it? Why are you being such an asshole? If you're not going to bother watching the entire part in which she talks about your precious idol, then you can't form an educated opinion on the situation. She's not talking about no damn iggy for 22 minutes. :roll: Barbie elitist - Weaboo - Sissy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cher 15 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 She's not talking about no damn iggy for 22 minutes. :roll: She talks about her on and off throughout. Honestly, in the time you've been asking people to tell you when she's talking about Iggy you could've watched the entire interview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Draco 2,531 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yeah that's exactly it, it makes a genre that's closely connected to their culture look like a trend that iggys hopping on. Her "rap" is so commercialized and tailored for pop radio that it's not even rap anymore. Yet it gets called rap song of the year and she's called the next new big name in rap. And oh yes definitely, Grammys r kinda trash now :/ And even if there's some tension in this thread I really enjoy this discussion because just reading through some posts, everyone can gain some perspective through others thoughts and talk about something that's really important. I'm really loving this thread and I hope I'm not coming across in a rude way or something. I usually avoid discussing things on this site and I really just want to learn more, not cause tension. I think Fancy incorporates rap, but is not Hip-Hop and does not represent Hip-Hop culture if that makes sense. Just like Macklemore's album incorporates rap, but does not represent Hip-Hop culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 No, but the cases I have in mind go way beyond that. Right......? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissyFromSpace 20,883 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 She talks about her on and off throughout. Honestly, in the time you've been asking people to tell you when she's talking about Iggy you could've watched the entire interview I've lost interest anyways. Its just going to be the same old crying "Oh, shes using black culture! how dare she !! :(((((" All coming from the same chick who tried to reclaim the F word, has thrown homophobic slurs, made fun of a Lily's miscarriage, and said women enjoyed Bill Cosby raping them. Name dropping Iggy just helps artists attain some sort of attention anyways. Barbie elitist - Weaboo - Sissy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It shows that the "white society is all racist" a--lysis is simplistic and one-dimensional. When black kids growing up idolizing everything white, they are thought to have internalized racism. But now whites kids are doing the same with black culture and sometimes Asian culture. Either some whites are self-hating, or some people just prefer to choose another culture than they are born to. Why not let them be. It reminds me of the debate within feminism over trans women. I think you're confusing fetishization/exoticification of culture with acceptance of people from said culture. It's not the same. Craig, the issue I always have with you is that you have a tendency to view things from inside a vacuum. When you talk about race, it's as if history never happened and everyone is equal now. You speak about race from an idealized, non-existent reality. In this case, you're really ignoring the massive power structure that differentiates blackness vs. whiteness in America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado 2,439 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I think you're confusing fetishization/exoticification of culture with acceptance of people from said culture. It's not the same. Craig, the issue I always have with you is that you have a tendency to view things from inside a vacuum. When you talk about race, it's as if history never happened and everyone is equal now. You speak about race from an idealized, non-existent reality. In this case, you're really ignoring the massive power structure that differentiates blackness vs. whiteness in America. im remembering the Lauryn Hill issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Right......? If you think white guilt is BS, read this first person article from Salon: http://www.salon.com/2000/02/17/guilty/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inuborg 4,136 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 I've lost interest anyways. Its just going to be the same old crying "Oh, shes using black culture! how dare she !! :(((((" All coming from the same chick who tried to reclaim the F word, has thrown homophobic slurs, made fun of a Lily's miscarriage, and said women enjoyed Bill Cosby raping them. Name dropping Iggy just helps artists attain some sort of attention anyways. She NEVER did that, stop it lance. And she also touches a bit on Bill Cosby I root for you. I love you. You, you, you, you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miju 375 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm really loving this thread and I hope I'm not coming across in a rude way or something. I usually avoid discussing things on this site and I really just want to learn more, not cause tension. I think Fancy incorporates rap, but is not Hip-Hop and does not represent Hip-Hop culture if that makes sense. Just like Macklemore's album incorporates rap, but does not represent Hip-Hop culture. Omg no you're not causing tension at all, I can tell that you're learning just as I am a bit, I love this thread too this is some good discussion whewwww And yea I know what you mean, iggys music has just enough influence to be considered under the hip-hop/rap category unfortunately doseofamnesia. tumblr. com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I've lost interest anyways. Its just going to be the same old crying "Oh, shes using black culture! how dare she !! :(((((" All coming from the same chick who tried to reclaim the F word, has thrown homophobic slurs, made fun of a Lily's miscarriage, and said women enjoyed Bill Cosby raping them. Name dropping Iggy just helps artists attain some sort of attention anyways. i'm so glad i don't see the world like you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I think you're confusing fetishization/exoticification of culture with acceptance of people from said culture. It's not the same. Craig, the issue I always have with you is that you have a tendency to view things from inside a vacuum. When you talk about race, it's as if history never happened and everyone is equal now. You speak about race from an idealized, non-existent reality. In this case, you're really ignoring the massive power structure that differentiates blackness vs. whiteness in America. Having a mentor and a boyfriend who are black suggest more than fetishization. I never said everyone is equal. I'm saying racism in America co-exists with the idea that black culture is cool and with white guilt among some progressives. I'm trying to bring in complexity, other dimensions. The American vs foreiger side of things too. History isn't just pre-1960's, it's also the last 50 years where liberals have largely been controlling the narrative about race. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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