Republic Of Ireland to criminalise the purchase of sex

[Kayla 7,595]

Not everyone views s-x the same way. Just as there are **** stars who are in the business because they have their own view about s-x that allows them to enjoy it, there are prostitutes who do too. We all draw the line at different places when it comes to what we will do s-xually. 

 

I think outright banning it doesn't solve the problems they are trying to fix. If someone is in such desperate need of money that they turn to prostitution, banning prostitution isn't going to fix that person's financial hardships or give them any more options.

However, it does make it so prostitutes are less safe. Being that they are breaking the law to do the job, if something bad happens they are less likely to seek help because they know they could be charged for being a prostitute. And those turning to that profession are not guaranteed a safe place to do it. 

 

Instead of trying to apply personal morals about s-x into law or trying to define what s-x should mean to another person, I think laws regarding prostitution should be made to protect children, ensure everyone selling s-x is doing so safely, and confirm that all involvement in such acts are consensual. I don't agree with banning, but I agree with regulating. 

(Similar to how I feel about marijuana- you want to cut d--g crime related to weed? Regulate it. Take the power away from the criminals, make it so the people who are doing it anyways can obtain/smoke it safely, and you end up fixing a lot of the problems you're trying to address by banning it.)

 

Removing exploitation, force, and coercion is the right way to go. Removing someone's right to choose is wrong.

[squeala 875]

Well, you are paying them for a service. It's like going to a restaurant. You go in, eat, and pay. 

With no consideration that the prostituted person is a human being who may or may not consent to the s-xual acts. Nice.

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

With no consideration that the prostituted person is a human being who may or may not consent to the s-xual acts. Nice.

Don't put words in my mouth. Of course making sure it's consensual is important. I was just answering your question by showing you a similar example. 

[squeala 875]

Not everyone views s-x the same way. Just as there are **** stars who are in the business because they have their own view about s-x that allows them to enjoy it, there are prostitutes who do too. We all draw the line at different places when it comes to what we will do s-xually. 

 

I think outright banning it doesn't solve the problems they are trying to fix. If someone is in such desperate need of money that they turn to prostitution, banning prostitution isn't going to fix that person's financial hardships or give them any more options.

However, it does make it so prostitutes are less safe. Being that they are breaking the law to do the job, if something bad happens they are less likely to seek help because they know they could be charged for being a prostitute. And those turning to that profession are not guaranteed a safe place to do it. 

 

Instead of trying to apply personal morals about s-x into law or trying to define what s-x should mean to another person, I think laws regarding prostitution should be made to protect children, ensure everyone selling s-x is doing so safely, and confirm that all involvement in such acts are consensual. I don't agree with banning, but I agree with regulating. 

(Similar to how I feel about marijuana- you want to cut d--g crime related to weed? Regulate it. Take the power away from the criminals, make it so the people who are doing it anyways can obtain/smoke it safely, and you end up fixing a lot of the problems you're trying to address by banning it.)

Fortunately the law is designed so that it's illegal to buy s-x, but not to sell s-x. Do these "safe places" where "consensual" prostitution occurs actually exist anywhere else? The law needs to generalise sometimes in order to protect people.

[CaptainAmerica 39]

So you're saying you view prostituted people as objects? Commodities? 

 

Thanks for your answer. I still don't understand - in what situation could you be paid for s-x yet all parameters of consent are satisfied? Surely if it's totally consensual then you'd have s-x with the person even if money was not involved. But I'm glad you recognise that laws need to deal with realities in order to protect people rather than abstract concepts as you described.

That´s what I am saying, it is hard to imagine a situation like that. It would be one where the money is just an afterthought, I´d say.

[squeala 875]

Don't put words in my mouth. Of course making sure it's consensual is important. I was just answering your question by showing you a similar example. 

Don't you see how viewing human beings as commodities is incredibly harmful?

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

Don't you see how viewing human beings as commodities is incredibly harmful?

Yes, but do you honestly think people think about this when they're about to get it in? All they want is to satisfy their desires. 

[Kayla 7,595]

Fortunately the law is designed so that it's illegal to buy s-x, but not to sell s-x. Do these "safe places" where "consensual" prostitution occurs actually exist anywhere else? The law needs to generalise sometimes in order to protect people.

 

"illegal to buy s-x, but not to sell s-x." That's a really interesting way to make it so prostitutes who are harmed can seek help without fear of legal difficulties! If a country is trying to ban prostitution, I think that would be the best way to do it. Thanks for the info. :)

 

I live in the USA, so the only place I can think of where consensual prostitution occurs is in a specific part of Nevada, and a facility that comes to mind is the "Bunny Ranch." It's regulated, the s-x occurs in a place where the girls can choose who the sleep with and they are surrounded by protection. 

[squeala 875]

Yes, but do you honestly think people think about this when they're about to get it in? All they want is to satisfy their desires. 

No, of course I don't think the assholes who buy s-x think about anything other than their orgasms, what are you trying to say?

[Kayla 7,595]

Don't you see how viewing human beings as commodities is incredibly harmful?

 

It is harmful.

 

My husband and I enjoy going to a particular strip club together. Whenever we go, there's one girl who always remembers us and she sits down to chat for at least 20-30 minutes every time we're in. She and I are really into burlesque, so we often chat about the history of stripping. She's spoken very openly about how she feels about her job and why she started dancing- it wasn't because she needed the money. In fact, she's got her business degree and runs her own small massage business on the side (no s-x involved), but chose to be a stripper because for years she had been interested in the history of it and enjoys the performance aspect. 

 

The way the club works, all their dancers are independent contractors so they are in charge of what they do with their time, make their own hours, and can refuse anyone service. 

 

When we go in, we don't look at her or the other girls as someone selling herself as a "commodity." And people who view them as a commodity are disgusting.

They're human beings who have a different take on s-x and how they share their s-xuality with others. Judging the people who partake in these things by saying they don't care about the other person or are solely using their bodies as a commodity is kindof rude to girls like her, in my opinion. 

[Morphine Prince 109,683]

No, of course I don't think the assholes who buy s-x think about anything other than their orgasms, what are you trying to say?

That you can't expect them to treat prostitutes with dignity because of that very reason.

 

I'm against prostitution. 

[Fish 6,259]

So you're saying you view prostituted people as objects? Commodities? 

 

Thanks for your answer. I still don't understand - in what situation could you be paid for s-x yet all parameters of consent are satisfied? Surely if it's totally consensual then you'd have s-x with the person even if money was not involved. But I'm glad you recognise that laws need to deal with realities in order to protect people rather than abstract concepts as you described.

Well its a way to see it. stricly in contract law and contractual words.

But yes s-x is a human complex issue, related to mind, body, social and individual factors. The fictionnal thing that is law cannot and will never treat it in a perfect and satisfactory manner.