Israel Makes Muslims Second Rate Citizens

[RAMROD 117,520]

In a secular society this cant happen... just because one country did it doesnt mean israel gets to do it...

What Simon said.

Hate it or love it, many of countries are still using the majority is king system.

[lego 44,165]

lol @ this thread.

Jews talk against this law and non-Jews are defending it(those who would also be considered second rate citizens there).

If you brag about the only democracy in ME and equality for all, you cannot compare to theocratic states and say they do it too. It doesn't work like that.

Anyway, not really surprised but the title is misleading. The ones affected are Palestinian Christians and Druze too. Any Arab. Any non-Jew or Jew with non-Jewish partner.

[NathanC 938]

one country? Nearly Every arab/muslim country doing that

they also imprison gays and some practice FGM... Does Israel get to do it as well? Israel is a secular democracy, the me nations mostly have sharia law...

U can't compare a civilized nation to barbaric theocracies...

[HANZ 4,380]

 arabic countries do the same tho

 

[Morphine Prince 109,767]

one country?  Nearly Every arab/muslim country doing that

So Israel has to do the same? No.

Plus Israel is a secular state. A democracy. Not a theocratic government like many of those other countries that do these things.

[lego 44,165]

Forget Israel's new legislation - Palestinians have been second-class citizens for decades, rights group claims

New report claims to show how West Bank Palestinians and Israeli citizens have been subject to two legal systems 'since 1967'

The Israeli government is currently gripped by a controversy over new laws – branded racist by its opponents – that would identify Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people.

But in the eyes of the law, Palestinians in the West Bank have been treated as second-class citizens for “decadesâ€, according to a new report from a rights group.

The bill under contention would de-list Arabic as an official language and has been criticised for offered reserved “national rights†for Jews only and not the Muslims and Christians who make up 20 per cent of the population.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the proposed law is needed because of the refusal of the Palestinian leadership to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, insisting it will not undermine the country’s democratic character.

Yet the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) says the legal regime currently operating in the West Bank already involves the application of two systems of law in a single territory.

The One Rule, Two Legal Systems report said that while a civilian legal system exists in the West Bank for Israeli citizens, a second, military court system is used for crimes involving Palestinian residents.

“Unlike Israeli citizens, Palestinians are tried in military tribunals for every crime from traffic violations to the theft of a carton of milk from the grocery store,†the report said, in a practice that had been going on “since 1967â€.

ACRI’s human rights director Tamar Feldman said: “This report demonstrates that discrimination between Israelis and Palestinians, living under one rule and in the same territory, is not a localised phenomenon, but an issue of institutional discrimination, as it applied to areas entirely unrelated to security matters. It falls to Israeli society to recognise this reality.â€

Meanwhile, the Israeli NGO B’Tselem has launched what it claims is a “virtual tour†showing how national parks established in East Jerusalem have “restricted construction and development of Palestinian neighbourhoodsâ€.

The rights group said five parks had been designated which “border populated Palestinian neighbourhoods†and on which no construction is allowed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/forget-israels-new-legislation--palestinians-have-been-secondclass-citizens-for-decades-rights-group-claims-9880036.html

[hmm 979]

You know it's a ****ed up law when even Dolev is disagreeing with it

[EXCXSXE 0]

I refuse to believe this was ever going to pass. 

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-livni-resolved-to-fight-jewish-state-bill/

 

Netanyahu is clearly unfit for office. Can't wait until his time is up.  :roll:

[hmm 979]

I refuse to believe this was ever going to pass. 

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-livni-resolved-to-fight-jewish-state-bill/

 

Netanyahu is clearly unfit for office. Can't wait until his time is up.  :roll:

 

Is he also completely clueless that this would just lead to even further worldwide condemnation of Israel  

[Brandon 457]

I think it would be a good idea though. Israel for the Jews and Palestina for the Muslims. No big reason to fight anymore and everyone can mind their own business. Educate ma if you think I'm wrong.

[Didymus 34,380]

Let's talk about how minorities are treated in Arabic countries. 

 

Muslims did the same to Christians and Jews in Middle East and Indonesia.

 

 arabic countries do the same tho

 

Don't ****ing derail this thread for no reason. 100% off topic and bordering on flamebait.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/forget-israels-new-legislation--palestinians-have-been-secondclass-citizens-for-decades-rights-group-claims-9880036.html

 

Thanks for the additional info, I'll add this to the OP

[EXCXSXE 0]

Is he also completely clueless that this would just lead to even further worldwide condemnation of Israel

 

I feel like a lot of the article is overstated and pretty vague, but I cannot agree with them removing Arabic as an official language when 20% of the population speaks it, and I cannot agree with the increased presence of religion within government.

 

I think most of the statements in this came from the fact that they intend to allow any Jewish person to freely immigrate, and that's not too far from the truth right now. I think there's quite a bit of drama added to this article, though I do disapprove. 

[Melech 9,900]

Don't ****ing derail this thread for no reason. 100% off topic and bordering on flamebait.

 

Thanks for the additional info, I'll add this to the OP

How is it off-topic when we are talking about the same region and about same ethnic groups? 

[Didymus 34,380]

How is it off-topic when we are talking about the same region and about same ethnic groups? 

 

This thread is about Israel and Israel only. We're not talking about Arabic countries or Muslims outside of Israel. The connections between a democratic Israel discriminating people of a certain race and an undemocratic country doing the same are also completely misleading.

[MahoganySnitch 67]

So Israel has to do the same? No.

Plus Israel is a secular state. A democracy. Not a theocratic government like many of those other countries that do these things.

This tbh. I think these others saying "so-and-so did it too" are using the "Tu Quoque" fallacy:

 

 

The tu quoque fallacy is committed when it is assumed that because someone else has done a thing there is nothing wrong with doing it. This fallacy is classically committed by children who, when told off, respond with “So and so did it tooâ€, with the implied conclusion that there is nothing wrong with doing whatever it is that they have done. This is a fallacy because it could be that both children are in the wrong, and because, as we were all taught, two wrongs don’t make a right.

SOURCE: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/tu-quoque/