Bordeciel 323 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Began to like her with BTW. Looking back she was amazing in TF & M eras. But her new stuffs talk more to me... I just wish she has new songs as smashy as poker face by now. And Gaga always has been a product, but the difference is the talent she has: she is her own product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre 10,480 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I love when her control is controlled. ❝Is not blue, not turquoise, not lapis. It's actually cerulean❞. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo 327 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Well everything she does is a product. But I will say this, pre-BTW it was much more polished. That's because I assume she's getting more control. She just needs someone to help her better focus her ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neptune 156 Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 hem you know that both videos you posted are produced by famous artists and directors? the first one is by show studio, ruth hogben ( the director for the artrave visuals works for them ) while the ARTPOP film is by inez & vinhood i don't get what you are trying to say. In both Gaga gave her artistical input. the monsterball interlude was part of huge production, the ARTPOP film was a video post by gaga with a secret link on her personal youtube account. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1jHhJavMik&feature=youtu.be i can't see how this is not polished. The videos are just two different things. Listen carefully to the sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBNLM 1,640 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Well everything she does is a product. But I will say this, pre-BTW it was much more polished. That's because I assume she's getting more control. She just needs someone to help her better focus her ideas. this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolodex of Hate 1,761 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I agree - to make her rise to fame, she needed a lot of people around her helping her become more and more famous. Her success peaked in 2010. Perhaps Gaga felt she didn't need the help anymore, and so her work was less polished, looked less professional as she has less artists and experts working with her. Either Gaga doesn't want to be controlled, she thinks she can do it all by herself or simply that music experts and visual artists have lost interest in her We have no legal choice but to stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre 10,480 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I agree - to make her rise to fame, she needed a lot of people around her helping her become more and more famous. Her success peaked in 2010. Perhaps Gaga felt she didn't need the help anymore, and so her work was less polished, looked less professional as she has less artists and experts working with her. Either Gaga doesn't want to be controlled, she thinks she can do it all by herself or simply that music experts and visual artists have lost interest in her I don't think so. ❝Is not blue, not turquoise, not lapis. It's actually cerulean❞. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Hoegan 1,018 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 it's like having a restaurant and she should know something about this the restaurant had its amiazing chef with brilliant ideas, and a lot of great staff that catched those ideas and they served food out of this world and they got so many clients because of how good they were and then suddenly the chef would be like "I'm firing half of the staff, and I'm starting to cook by myself just like a regular staff member only with a little help, because either way I'm not feeling like it's really my cooking" > will the chef have enough time to manage the rest of the people who stayed ? > will he have enough time to be innovative in his job ? > will they all have enough time to serve all of the loyal clients they've got even if there's only half of the people who made clients to fall in love with their cooking back then ? answers to those questions are obvious... I don't even know what Gaga was/is thinking... how has getting help with managing your ideas become "being controlled" ? if you don't do something only with your own hands, it doesn't mean it's stopped being your idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian 573 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I was watching the "Paws up" interlude and I asked myself: "Who chose this song? Gaga or someone else? Would Gaga ever choose someone else's song to put on her tour ever again?". And then I remembered how she commented that she was being controlled a lot during these times, and that she wasn't happy enough with the way her music sounded, blabla. Probably Garibay chose it I don't think think it's a big deal that sb else's song is used to (in this particular interlude 2 songs are used, actually) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,969 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 You mean MonsterGa? If so yes. FameGa made me a fan, but MonsterGa made me a stan for life. In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBNLM 1,640 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I agree - to make her rise to fame, she needed a lot of people around her helping her become more and more famous. Her success peaked in 2010. Perhaps Gaga felt she didn't need the help anymore, and so her work was less polished, looked less professional as she has less artists and experts working with her. Either Gaga doesn't want to be controlled, she thinks she can do it all by herself or simply that music experts and visual artists have lost interest in her lol no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I like Gaga's hands on approach, almost every song and visual pre Born This Way looks stale and boring to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andragaga 0 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 You're lying to yourself. I don't think that's lying to yourself. Born This Way was definitely an anthem for the freaks, and I definitely identified with her message and the sound was amazing...great club beats. Government Hooker? Scheiße? I couldn't live without these songs. TFM polished her off to create BTW, and after that is when things started to fall off... I will agree that TFM is arguably her best work, but BTW definitely took that further and then it fell off with ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,265 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I don't really understand anything that's going on in this thread. Alejandro was an amazing single. Judas (the video) was amazing. The Edge of Glory music video is the most meaningful of her career. ARTPOP is near the top of her albums, some days it's me number 1. The Applause VMA performance was amazing. The ARTPOP film was super fab. Swinefest is probably her best performance to date. The ARTPOP era in general was just really good. The only bad part about it was her early obsession with Venus and the travesty of DWUW. That ARTPOP film in the OP is miles better than that TFM interlude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivulet 0 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I think the entirety of her work and career is a product, similar to many other pop musicians, and musicians in general. The difference between The Fame Monster and Born This Way may not necessarily be lacking label control, but rather a lack of creative input from collaborators and non-Haus individuals. While her current team seems great, I would love for her to collaborate with external designers or directors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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