Supersonic 49,376 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Or maybe RedOne can keep on producing his low-fi bubblegum BS and leave Gaga alone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 You just have a talent for completely ignoring what people are actually saying, don't you? He said musically she's doing fine. Her style has evolved, and as successful as she was with RedOne, running back to him at a time when she is supposed to have risen above trivialities like charts really stings of desperation. She hasn't risen above the charts yet though? ARTPOP was a pure pop album through and through, she tried to make every song into a single. Just cause it wasn't as catchy and bold as her previous work doesn't somehow make it an experimental, next-level record. ARTPOP is still the same style of music that she's always been making, just more electronic. For as long as she wants to remain a huge pop star she's going to have to find that sweet spot between innovation and commercial appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Scheiße & Gypsy were the tour headliners for 2 tours (unless you count teog/mtn oddness) so even Gaga knows he is her best. The fame ball highlight/finish: Poker Face The monster ball finish: Bad Romance Btwb finish (non encore): Scheiße Artrave finish: Gypsy Her biggest successes were redone produced. Her album highlights are inclusive of redone credits. They're Lennon/McCartney. THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT THANK YOU <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Not even going to waste my time with you. Have a good day. Good for you cause I sadly wasted my time reading your post, it was the first one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog 1,921 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Gaga’s songs had started to go off-brand. The hits were stylistically rigorous minor-key juggernauts. The newer songs aren’t This is so true. I think it was too early for Gaga to change her style. When you hear Bad romance or Alejandro, you can hear it's Gaga. When you hear Applause, it's just another pop song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 The only one I recall is the BB one, it was very positive. There arent many more but didn;t we already know that te critics didn't like the album? It's not like there aren;t many great albums today that were slammed by the critics. The fact is when Gaga delivers something brilliant and new like The Fame (and not sounding like The Fame but in the time frame being able to bring something new and interesting) then the critics will say "We Love Her Again!" Ultimately it DOES come down to the music and if you create a damn good pop record people will listen. ARTPOP, however, brought nothing new to the table. Yup, because commercialism is tantamount to quality. :roll: You carry with you a sense of self-importance and that makes it very difficult to objectively discuss something, as you're 100% sure you're right about everything. Can you just try to listen to someone else's point of view, even a little bit? I am listening to what you are saying but if it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense. You can sit there all day and say DJWS is the better producer, he slays, better quality. But the fact is a lot of little monsters still want to hear RedOne and gaga work together again, and the pop audience of the world saw there work as attractive. She isn't able to get these big messages across with someone who can't lift that message off the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I just said she might need RedOne if we're talking commercially and you post ARTPOP's chart figures? How does that even make sense. No, I repeat, musically she's doing fine. Mmmmm just dance, badromance, poker face >>>>>>> applause guy DWUW. Just my opinion which I'm entitled to so no hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 She hasn't risen above the charts yet though? ARTPOP was a pure pop album through and through, she tried to make every song into a single. Just cause it wasn't as catchy and bold as her previous work doesn't somehow make it an experimental, next-level record. ARTPOP is still the same style of music that she's always been making, just more electronic. For as long as she wants to remain a huge pop star she's going to have to find that sweet spot between innovation and commercial appeal. Not trying to offend you, but ARTPOP is not what she has been creating. It's her first album where she relies on beats more than having great melodies. There are a few gems like DWUW, Dope, Gypsy, and Aura's chorus, but a lot of the album really relies on overproduced instrumentals. That is not what she has done before. Anything from TF-TFM-BTW can be transferred to the piano quite simply. ARTPOP....not always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The fact is when Gaga delivers something brilliant and new like The Fame (and not sounding like The Fame but in the time frame being able to bring something new and interesting) then the critics will say "We Love Her Again!" Ultimately it DOES come down to the music and if you create a damn good pop record people will listen. ARTPOP, however, brought nothing new to the table. If it does come down only to music then why did Cyndi Lauper became irrelevant that early in here career when all critics agreed that her music quality was increasing rapidly? If it comes down only to music then why ****ty songs top the charts and albums that the critics praise tank or albums that the critics trash become very big? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiendman 237 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 The fact is when Gaga delivers something brilliant and new like The Fame (and not sounding like The Fame but in the time frame being able to bring something new and interesting) then the critics will say "We Love Her Again!" Ultimately it DOES come down to the music and if you create a damn good pop record people will listen. ARTPOP, however, brought nothing new to the table. I am listening to what you are saying but if it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense. You can sit there all day and say DJWS is the better producer, he slays, better quality. But the fact is a lot of little monsters still want to hear RedOne and gaga work together again, and the pop audience of the world saw there work as attractive. She isn't able to get these big messages across with someone who can't lift that message off the ground. And for what seems like the hundreth time, you've missed my point. I'm not saying DJWS is better than RedOne, I'm saying that what's the point in regressing musically to something that she's done before, just because it satisfies a select group of people? Gaga is all about evolution of sound and musical innovation, so if she can produce some new sounds with RedOne, fantastic, I'm so happy for her, but if she basically comes out with some generic Bad Romance 3.0 or whatever JUST for the charts, it would be very disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlop 4,773 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 RedOne and Fernando. DJWS is good, but I feel like BTW had the best productions. BYE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMKKARDASHiAN 8,570 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Do you guys NOT know Gaga? Now she's gonna do the opposite of what you're expecting. If you really want Redone, you should probably not make it seem like she "needs" him, cause that type of **** pisses her off. It would piss me off and i'd give ya'll a rock album + another jazz album for good measure. Who doesn't want to make their fans happy??? Tf??? If I knew my fans wanted something, I'd give it to them. They were there through my lows and my jazz album, so if they want something I'll give it to them. If she really took a snotty a$$ attitude towards it, I'd have no problem turning in my stan card of 6 years. I'm not saying stifle your creativity, but don't punish certain fans for liking and preferring a different sound or style Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Not trying to offend you, but ARTPOP is not what she has been creating. It's her first album where she relies on beats more than having great melodies. There are a few gems like DWUW, Dope, Gypsy, and Aura's chorus, but a lot of the album really relies on overproduced instrumentals. That is not what she has done before. Anything from TF-TFM-BTW can be transferred to the piano quite simply. ARTPOP....not always. I agree with you, that's why I said it's more electronic than her previous work. With most of the songs it sounds like she got a pre-made instrumental and just freestyled over it. There's a lack of unity. I was just pointing out that it's the same general style of music that she made before: dance-pop songs with a standard verse-hook-verse-hook-bridge-hook structure. There's nothing experimental there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SISTERV 3,887 Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 If it does come down only to music then why did Cyndi Lauper became irrelevant that early in here career when all critics agreed that her music quality was increasing rapidly? If it comes down only to music then why ****ty songs op the charts and albums that the critics praise tank or albums that the critics trash become very big? Because Cyndi outsold herself and tried to become a cheesy brand. (Remember when she became a host on WWE) Her music quality might have changed...and maybe some indie reporters found it good....but it didn't really impress people. I have a feeling Gaga wants to put an impression on her fans and others, and change the world. Its not in her DNA to just make music about randomness. She wants to bring ART into POP. Which means being able to create something that can be new and interesting and important, but viable for a large audience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Billboard???? These aren't critics. These are the CEO's of numbers in music. Are you serious? You brought up Metacritic, BB is included in that score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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