Soldiers attempt to detain kids age 2 and 9

[Tropico 4,145]

What is this mess of a thread...

MTE. This is why I barely ever check this section. Everything gets to agro and s--t. I'll stick to the entertainment section where the fights are at least funny.

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Tbh, I hate the fact that Isreali soldiers are doing this. So unneccesary (much like the fighting in this thread, I might add).

[Melech 9,900]

The main topic was closed due to your propadandist flood. respect it.

this 

 

This is why the other thread was closed. If you can't discuss things maturely and respectfully, this thread will go too. Be nice :)

I thought propaganda is not allowed on this site. 

[lego 44,165]

I'm not commenting on what you said because you're not even having a discussion...

You're here to yell at people who disagree with you.

Notice also that several other people have commented on your personal attacks...

No, you're not commenting because you prefer to derail the thread and to talk without actual arguments and just focus on me and your perception of me. You're trying to provoke me, but it's not working. You should stop with your patronizing and off topic remarks.

 

Show me where exactly did I yell? If you can't find, or you have trouble understanding tone of written text on a forum, just ask me. Otherwise you're falsely accusing me, as I am perfectly calm. Replying to a post you disagree with does not equal with yelling and screaming, as you said earlier.

Notice they are like 2 people, not several, plus you; notice how the same people have been arguing with me on this issue before. Always the same justification for whatever Israel does, zero understanding for Palestinian side, as if they were not even humans. It's no surprise that ganging up on a member is sometimes a thing here, when there are no more arguments left, it's just shows you hate the truth to come out.

 

Why does every thread you create revolve around children if you're not trying to gather sympathy?

Oh gee, I don't know, maybe because children form almost half of the Palestinian society? In 2013, there were 2.08 million children under the age of 18, constituting 47.1 percent of the total population in Palestine: 45.0 percent in West Bank and 50.6 percent in Gaza Strip. Children under the age of five make up 14.8 percent; 13.0 percent of children are aged between 5-9 years; 12.2 percent are in the 10-14 years age group; and 7.1 percent are in the 15-17 year age group.

Maybe because Israel killed over 500 of kids in last Gaza massacre and wounded over thousand? Maybe because innocent need protection from the Israeli bullies but you would rather talk about my personality, because clearly that's the most important thing here.

 

Its a cheap shot in an obvious grey area because the vast majority of these "children" are 17-18 year olds who can be tried as adults, and were committing violent crimes.

 

What is your evidence on this? Vast majority? I love how you skipped the UN report on this which clearly proves you wrong. 18 year olds are not included in the numbers. Let me remind you approximately 700 Palestinian children each year between the ages of 12 and 17 are arrested. In the past 10 years, some 7,000 children – the majority of them boys – were held, an average of two children each day.

And just search ''children'' or ''minors'' on B'Tselem website and you'll find numerous articles and videos which shows mistreatment and abuse of kids UNDER AGE OF 12. Handcuffing, blindfolding, holding on the floor of a jeep, traumatizing those kids for life. That is unlawful and it has to stop.

 

 

You can b---h about transparency all you want, but if you think the Hamas are anymore transparent than the IDF you're totally ****ed.

It may not be a time of war, but Palestinian terrorists are active in Israel right now, something you obviously don't make threads about. 

 

Bitching? Notice how your tone changed. Obviously you are the one unable to discuss this issue calmly.

 

 

I do not consider those individual attacks as terrorism just because Israel says so. I'm sorry, but there is usually no investigation, the suspect is always just murdered on the spot. There is no evidence that they were organized or ordered by any group. And again, when Israeli soldier and settler kill, that act is always ''an accident'', never an act of terrorism and they are rarely punished.

 

I make sure I read media from both sides every time there's a new development. My country offered plenty from both sides, something I think is crucial to solving the problem. How can you not see that? 

 

Can I get some acknowledgement from you that there are two sides to this?

Btw you claimed a silence problem and cited an Israeli source in the same post...

THIS. Totally counterproductive. You need to discuss this in a calm manor, or it alienates people from educating themselves and forming their own opinion.

 

Really, you make sure? What is the point to read other side, when you consider Palestinian or ''Middle Eastern'' websites as unreliable anyway? Notice how you always ask for Israeli source, it's clear who you trust more. So spare me with that attempt to look objective.

 

Yes there are two sides, the occupier and the occupied, the oppressor and the oppressed.

 

 

Clearly (having an Israeli source which documents human rights violations) is not enough for a change in Israeli society and their laws.

As I said, the patronizing can stop now. I have been nothing but calm and under attack from few of you. I didn't use words like ''screaming/ too aggressive; aggression/volatility; propagator; volatile, defensive, stubborn / spread your rage / You can b---h all you want'' etc in every second post. Notice how your posts lack arguments and on purpose skipping facts, while you have all this list of attributes which you want to describe person you disagree with. So tell me more, how I'm never calm but you are.

[Raphy 0]

Mess, why 

[lego 44,165]

Where do the kids get the idea of throwing stones at Israeli soldiers? From their elders perhap. So maybe the elders use the kids to throw stones at Israeli soldiers thinking their young age would not get them in trouble.

 

Anyway, all Israelis and Palestinians are circumcised and share this ancient ritual so they're brothers of the unforeskin and should get along well (hopefully).

 

 

Maybe you would do it too if, FOR EXAMPLE, a person born and raised in Russia comes to your home, demands to share it in half, and later just kicks you out, kills your relatives and friends, demolishes your house and property to make more room for apartments for his friends from Russia. Maybe you would resist too.

 

How big stones, and how big threat they usually are? How easy is to prove if your life was in danger?

 

 

When the soldiers are walking in your streets with guns, when settlers are allowed to carry weapons

 

and they too throw stones

 

with army back up.

 

Maybe those pebbles are only thing you got left.

[lego 44,165]

Netanyahu's cabinet backs bill to jail stone-throwers up to 10-20 years

Amendment will make it possible to convict and punish the violators even if the state cannot prove they intended to damage cars or injure passengers; bill must still be brought to Knesset for approval.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.624039

[Goosey 3,017]

It's not attack, it's an observation. Your obsession with guns, wargames, shooting and killing in your posts is very disturbing. And they are not "lucky", as Israeli soldier shooting a child with live bullets is not uncommon. It happened recently. The fact that he cannot prove if the child DID indeed throw anything or that his life was in danger doesn't matter. In most cases it's just "we will investigate", so it's either prison to 15-20 years or death for those kids, nothing for that soldier. Lucky them.

 

Sorry but your obsession with radical Islamist topics and anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli sentiment is disturbing just an observation. And my parents taught me not to throw rocks. You can kill someone.

[lego 44,165]

Sorry but your obsession with radical Islamist topics and anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli sentiment is disturbing just an observation. And my parents taught me not to throw rocks. You can kill someone.

Cool observation. I'm interested in ME politics. For this antisemitic part, bring proof, or I'll report you.

Your parents didn't have to share a house with a stranger born on other side of the planet, then give it all together with land, they didn't see their daughters, uncles, friends killed just because an occupier is "mowing the lawn" every few years. You don't have to live under siege, with borders and sea closed, where you're blackmailed to spy for the enemy in case you need medical treatment etc. Your situation is not the same. You have only seen the war in your PC games.

At least with guns and knives you don't have a problem. Those can't kill.

[Goosey 3,017]

Cool observation. I'm interested in ME politics. For this antisemitic part, bring proof, or I'll report you.

Your parents didn't have to share a house with a stranger born on other side of the planet, then give it all together with land, they didn't see their daughters, uncles, friends killed just because an occupier is "mowing the lawn" every few years. You don't have to live under siege, with borders and sea closed, where you're blackmailed to spy for the enemy in case you need medical treatment etc. Your situation is not the same. You have only seen the war in your PC games.

At least with guns and knives you don't have a problem. Those can't kill.

 

Cool observation, I'm interested in firearms (irrelevant to this topic). For this "interested in killing" part (again, irrelevant to this topic), bring proof, or I'll report you. I already said they should not jail innocent people or 2-year-olds so I'm not sure what you're arguing about. Now a question: you're against them jailing teenaged rock-throwers?

[EXCXSXE 0]

No, you're not commenting because you prefer to derail the thread and to talk without actual arguments and just focus on me and your perception of me. You're trying to provoke me, but it's not working. You should stop with your patronizing and off topic remarks.

 

Show me where exactly did I yell? If you can't find, or you have trouble understanding tone of written text on a forum, just ask me. Otherwise you're falsely accusing me, as I am perfectly calm. Replying to a post you disagree with does not equal with yelling and screaming, as you said earlier.

Notice they are like 2 people, not several, plus you; notice how the same people have been arguing with me on this issue before. Always the same justification for whatever Israel does, zero understanding for Palestinian side, as if they were not even humans. It's no surprise that ganging up on a member is sometimes a thing here, when there are no more arguments left, it's just shows you hate the truth to come out.

 

Oh gee, I don't know, maybe because children form almost half of the Palestinian society? In 2013, there were 2.08 million children under the age of 18, constituting 47.1 percent of the total population in Palestine: 45.0 percent in West Bank and 50.6 percent in Gaza Strip. Children under the age of five make up 14.8 percent; 13.0 percent of children are aged between 5-9 years; 12.2 percent are in the 10-14 years age group; and 7.1 percent are in the 15-17 year age group.

Maybe because Israel killed over 500 of kids in last Gaza massacre and wounded over thousand? Maybe because innocent need protection from the Israeli bullies but you would rather talk about my personality, because clearly that's the most important thing here.

 

 

What is your evidence on this? Vast majority? I love how you skipped the UN report on this which clearly proves you wrong. 18 year olds are not included in the numbers. Let me remind you approximately 700 Palestinian children each year between the ages of 12 and 17 are arrested. In the past 10 years, some 7,000 children – the majority of them boys – were held, an average of two children each day.

And just search ''children'' or ''minors'' on B'Tselem website and you'll find numerous articles and videos which shows mistreatment and abuse of kids UNDER AGE OF 12. Handcuffing, blindfolding, holding on the floor of a jeep, traumatizing those kids for life. That is unlawful and it has to stop.

 

 

 

Bitching? Notice how your tone changed. Obviously you are the one unable to discuss this issue calmly.

 

 

I do not consider those individual attacks as terrorism just because Israel says so. I'm sorry, but there is usually no investigation, the suspect is always just murdered on the spot. There is no evidence that they were organized or ordered by any group. And again, when Israeli soldier and settler kill, that act is always ''an accident'', never an act of terrorism and they are rarely punished.

 

 

Really, you make sure? What is the point to read other side, when you consider Palestinian or ''Middle Eastern'' websites as unreliable anyway? Notice how you always ask for Israeli source, it's clear who you trust more. So spare me with that attempt to look objective.

 

Yes there are two sides, the occupier and the occupied, the oppressor and the oppressed.

 

 

Clearly (having an Israeli source which documents human rights violations) is not enough for a change in Israeli society and their laws.

As I said, the patronizing can stop now. I have been nothing but calm and under attack from few of you. I didn't use words like ''screaming/ too aggressive; aggression/volatility; propagator; volatile, defensive, stubborn / spread your rage / You can b---h all you want'' etc in every second post. Notice how your posts lack arguments and on purpose skipping facts, while you have all this list of attributes which you want to describe person you disagree with. So tell me more, how I'm never calm but you are.

 

I'm only commenting on the way that you're arguing because it's the most offensive thing about this thread to me. It's not off topic. These entire threads revolve around you acting like you're some inside source on global conflict, while you're on a ****ing lady gaga forum discussing things you can barely comprehend (as is evidenced by your oppressor/oppressed comment). I've already said I can't defend all the actions of Israel... Can you really defend all the actions of Palestinians and their official terrorist organizations? 

 

I'm trying to level with you and you're making it so difficult. I have no issues talking to other people about this, and I don't have a real side which makes it really difficult to offend me. The things you bring up do not offend me; the way, however, you use this forum as your personal megaphone to improperly educate people in the most extreme way is incredibly offensive to me.   This forum should be used for unbiased and equal representation; instead you use it to spread propaganda and throw a little more fuel in the fire.