Why other pop artists are still hugely popular, but not Gaga.

[VasilisVas 5,196]

I think ARTPOP

The album was definitely not basic or lifeless. All you need to do is play this album next to all the other albums release in 2013 and you will immediately see its uniqueness, and grandiosity. Is Just that the artsy message did not connect with many people, and poor management worked against Gaga's original plans.

 

I was never one to really listen to an entire album. The only albums I have ever listed to in their entirety are Britney's and Gaga's since they are my absolute favorite. I do listen to other artists, but don't really follow them enough to care enough to listen to an entire album. Because of that, it's easier for me to just compare ARTPOP with Gaga's past work. With that said, I still respect your opinion, and not ruling out any chance that you may have a more valid point the one I'm trying to make.   

ARTPOP sold 2.5M± WW

BEYONCÉ sold 3.5M± WW

Prism sold 2.8M± WW

Those were the biggest albums releases this year.

 

and of course 1989 - will sell at least 2M± this week WW.

 

I'm very shocked at the WW sales of Beyonce and Prism. I thought they sold much more. It's interesting to see Gaga wasn't far behind them at all, especially Prism. 

[Economy 49,897]

it is not elaborate art is somenthing more

well, i still consider it 2 forms of art thats seperate. and one doesnt necessairily require more talant than another.... its easier to come up with abstract stuff and give it meaning than make something realistic in a way thats actually interesting

 

Gaga just does a better job at presenting it and thats why she succeeds in it... But "basic" stuff to be interesting still takes talent.

 

And they both have their place. i enjoy having "basic" pop stars to leasten to. It would be boring in my opinion if everyone was a Lady Gaga

[LaMaisonGaga 23,884]

Yeah I agree. I don't think these new hoes know what the **** they are in for when Gaga is on top of her A Game. 

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[Quark 7,098]

I did not mean this is bad. I am just saying that this is the reason why is harder for Gaga to appeal to a lot of people now. She is not easy to understand because like you said, she is abstract. But Katy does tend to follow trends though. I wouldn't necessarily call her stuff "art" or very creative work.

but why is that bad? art that reflects realism can be just as good as abstract or symbolism

 

same with music. Some people especially fans of artists like Gaga like to insinuate that if ur art is more normal that it isnt talanted...

 

It still takes creativity. It just seems mroe basic and easy to digest because its more "real" vs Gagas stuff being mroe symbolic or abstract

[RBNLM 1,640]

well, i still consider it 2 forms of art thats seperate. and one doesnt necessairily require more talant than another.... its easier to come up with abstract stuff and give it meaning than make something realistic in a way thats actually interesting

 

Gaga just does a better job at presenting it and thats why she succeeds in it... But "basic" stuff to be interesting still takes talent.

 

And they both have their place. i enjoy having "basic" pop stars to leasten to. It would be boring in my opinion if everyone was a Lady Gaga

yes this is true but i consider the "basic" stuff just entertainment nothing more nothing less.

[djBuffoon 12,123]

There are a lot of Gaga fans in disguise.

I've played some ARTPOP songs to friends & they liked them (Especially MANiCURE) until I told them it's Gaga.

I tried this with several people as well, except most of them maintained that they enjoyed the songs and didn't backtrack after finding out who it was. I'm not kidding, all of my closest friends stan for ARTPOP, those misfits.

[Economy 49,897]

I did not mean this is bad. I am just saying that this is the reason why is harder for Gaga to appeal to a lot of people now. She is not easy to understand because like you said, she is abstract. But Katy does tend to follow trends though. I wouldn't necessarily call her stuff "art" or very creative work.

i cant think of anyone else to really compare her to tho

[Jesse Pinkman 4,660]

Honestly, I feel like she did too much to fast and it turned a lot of people off.

Its like when someone takes a balloon and pumps helium into it as fast and hard as possible. It will grow tremendously fast, but eventually it will pop. That's a good a--logy for what happened with Gaga.

[Economy 49,897]

yes this is true but i consider the "basic" stuff just entertainment nothing more nothing less.

probably because its so common that u become desensitized to it... it doesnt feel artistic because of how common it is... if Gagas abstract and symbolic art was what u saw all the time and realism was more rare, u might consider that art

 

basic still requires a concept, and often a story line depending on how they do it... it requires thinking... so its still art by any standards

[bionic 50,107]

I think a lot of people are put off by the whole ~this isn't pop this is ARTPOP~ ~I'm an artist~ stuff. From what songs have been commercially successful these past few years, it seems like very few people want to buy songs that they have to actually try and understand through further research/a--lysis. 

 

How many people would understand the Koons reference in Applause without researching it? How many people even understand what ARTPOP means?

[Quark 7,098]

Not necessarily her but her work. When she began her career she started with a pop rock sound because that was popular at its time. When Gaga became famous, she change her sound to a more electronic pop sound too. Now she makes songs like dark horse and birthday because of trap and disco trends. Also her music videos are always inspired by some sort of theme that was already common or popular such as Egypt, Tarzan, Birthday Parties, Aliens. She never comes up with something truly unique like Applause video for example (or any other Gaga video for that matter).

i cant think of anyone else to really compare her to tho

[GagaMyBlood95 9,915]

I remember when the GP actually put her on a pedestal. Like......she was a league ahead of everyone else and the entire industry was shooting out weirder artists left and right to imitate Gaga's success. 

 

Gaga....at one point....had Beyonce embarrassed to call her.

 

She had queen B knocking on her door asking for permission to come in. 

 

Think about that. 

Well yeah, but she was still different than the usual pop star, she changed the rules, but then she kept on changing the rules and breaking boundries and the gp doesn't really like that - they like to play safe and that's whats the point of this thread

[Economy 49,897]

I tried this with several people as well, except most of them maintained that they enjoyed the songs and didn't backtrack after finding out who it was. I'm not kidding, all of my closest friends stan for ARTPOP, those misfits.

oh God my best bud likes jazz (i was surprised cause he doesnt seem like the type that would)...

 

and when i started playing cheeck to cheeck he liked it until i said Gaga was the female singer... he immediately started saying her voice was too raspy for jazz and that she was trying to be someone she wasnt

 

although to be fair, theres a few songs she went over-board with her voice... like on "i cant give you anything but love" what the hell was that?

[Hollywoodlight 0]

Because she is too Gay. I don't know if you all have noticed but she primary fan base is gay. She appeals to them because she's the one artist that made them feel at peace and ok with themselves. Most everyone I know when the subject of gaga comes up says hat she is for gay people why would you listen to her.

I feel uncomfortable when people tell me you're so gay you listen to gaga. I mean it's the truth and it's something that I experience on a daily basis when I pop Gaga music in the car; same reactions, same out downs etc

Had Gaga not pushed the message of Born This Way like she did she might still be a bit more popular I mean. Look at her sales for btw people were hooked on her and once people saw what the era was all about, they jumped ship.

No other pop star pushed the issue as part of their artistry which is why Katy Perry, Rihanna etc are still relevant and popular.

Straight people have no reservations buying their music because it doesn't question their "straightness"

[djBuffoon 12,123]

oh God my best bud likes jazz (i was surprised cause he doesnt seem like the type that would)...

 

and when i started playing cheeck to cheeck he liked it until i said Gaga was the female singer... he immediately started saying her voice was too raspy for jazz and that she was trying to be someone she wasnt

 

although to be fair, theres a few songs she went over-board with her voice... like on "i cant give you anything but love" what the hell was that?

On some songs, yes, she belts a little too much because it's in her nature. She is a Broadway-caliber belter. Not her fault, someone should have told her to tone it down a bit. But then there are others like "Nature Boy", "Ev'rytime", "Lush Life", where she does find the nuances in instrument and works with the music better. I think her next jazz effort will be even more impressive.