Ronk 14,762 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It was a commercial flop. So it lost money? If it was profitable, it didn't flop. Not that this matters one bit, but if you look at the albums of all recording artists, I'll bet most sold less than ARTPOP. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,003 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ARTPOP 2,500,000 copies worldwide Born This Way 6,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame Monster 5,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame 15,000,000 copies worldwide Compared to her past albums, it underperformed a bit but compared to Prism's 3,500,000 worldwide sales it ain't not that bad after all she didn't really promote it after Applause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ARTPOP 2,500,000 copies worldwide Born This Way 6,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame Monster 5,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame 15,000,000 copies worldwide Compared to her past albums, it underperformed a bit but compared to Prism's 3,500,000 worldwide sales it ain't not that bad after all she didn't really promote it after Applause. Yes, promo makes the difference. And it was her management/label that didn't promote it. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEANUS 14,954 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 ARTPOP 2,500,000 copies worldwide Born This Way 6,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame Monster 5,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame 15,000,000 copies worldwide Compared to her past albums, it underperformed a bit but compared to Prism's 3,500,000 worldwide sales it ain't not that bad after all she didn't really promote it after Applause. This, considering the promo and hits Katy has had with this album, SHE has had the underperformance. Gaga's sales are great to industry standards and the standards of any artist released after her, except for Coldplay and Beyonce..... British social ladies with upturned pinkies, glasses clinking // xoxoTEANUS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,003 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 This, considering the promo and hits Katy has had with this album, SHE has had the underperformance. Gaga's sales are great to industry standards and the standards of any artist released after her, except for Coldplay and Beyonce..... Yes, considering huge hits like Roar and Dark Horse, it should have broken the 5 million mark if it were Gaga's case. I'm not certain but that's my prediction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 7,386 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 No offence but Katy was on top and Gaga was a flop at the same time but still Katy sold not that much more than Gaga lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves 1,891 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 So it lost money? If it was profitable, it didn't flop. Not that this matters one bit, but if you look at the albums of all recording artists, I'll bet most sold less than ARTPOP. Wait. You just lost the bet. :lmao: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ARTPOP 2,500,000 copies worldwide Born This Way 6,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame Monster 5,000,000 copies worldwide The Fame 15,000,000 copies worldwide Compared to her past albums, it underperformed a bit but compared to Prism's 3,500,000 worldwide sales it ain't not that bad after all she didn't really promote it after Applause. The 15M WW figure being released in the media is for the combined sales of The Fame (the original debut album) and The Fame Monster (both as an EP and the re-release of TF). The Fame, in its own and prior to the re-release in 2009, has only moved 4.6M WW, according to Vivendi, the parent company of UMG, of which Interscope (Gaga's home label) is a part of. Also, if we're taking the 2.3M figure released by Vivendi for ARTPOP in 2013, then BTW's minimum WW stat should be then at 6.8M, not 6M, since that's what Vivendi has reported in 2011. If we're taking the 6M figure for BTW from MediaTraffic, then ARTPOP's numbers should just be at 1.8M (minimum) since that's what MediaTraffic has reported for ARTPOP to date. They're different sources, and their numbers differ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Wait. You just lost the bet. Are you saying 319 albums released in 2013 outsold ARTPOP? Here is a list of 639 albums released that year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2013_albums Edit: It looks liked ARTPOP ranked #103 for 2013, which puts in the top 20 percent. By industry standards, the album did well. The other 80% probably would have been thrilled to have ARTPOP's sales. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaDragon 10 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Invincible was a poor album by MJ standards but stillsold a lot. Same doesn't apply to ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 59,003 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The 15M WW figure being released in the media is for the combined sales of The Fame (the original debut album) and The Fame Monster (both as an EP and the re-release of TF). The Fame, in its own and prior to the re-release in 2009, has only moved 4.6M WW, according to Vivendi, the parent company of UMG, of which Interscope (Gaga's home label) is a part of. Also, if we're taking the 2.3M figure released by Vivendi for ARTPOP in 2013, then BTW's minimum WW stat should be then at 6.8M, not 6M, since that's what Vivendi has reported in 2011. If we're taking the 6M figure for BTW from MediaTraffic, then ARTPOP's numbers should just be at 1.8M (minimum) since that's what MediaTraffic has reported for ARTPOP to date. They're different sources, and their numbers differ. Well, if The Fame's sales is part of The Fame Monster's re-release, let's just include it then. I'm a bit confused of what your comment is about but my sources are all from Wikipedia, the data that I provided aren't the most accurate ones but are close to the actual numbers, I believe. I chose data recorded at least from 2013 so that they are up to date. Regardless of her past albums' sales performance, because they are all considered as commercially successful albums, my comment was made to defend ARTPOP's success and I believe the 2,500,000 copies sold worldwide is not a wrong data, as it has been mentioned by Gaga several times. I was comparing it to Prism not her past albums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Well, if The Fame's sales is part of The Fame Monster's re-release, let's just include it then. I'm a bit confused of what your comment is about but my sources are all from Wikipedia, the data that I provided aren't the most accurate ones but are close to the actual numbers, I believe. I chose data recorded at least from 2013 so that they are up to date. Regardless of her past albums' sales performance, because they are all considered as commercially successful albums, my comment was made to defend ARTPOP's success and I believe the 2,500,000 copies sold worldwide is not a wrong data, as it has been mentioned by Gaga several times. I was comparing it to Prism not her past albums. Just pointing out that the numbers you've posted, which you've gotten from Wikipedia, as you mentioned, came from different primary sources (MediaTraffic's 6M for BTW and Vivendi's 2.3M for ARTPOP). I didn't mean to discredit your post that ARTPOP's numbers are great, but more of just simply correcting Wikipedia's rather inconsistent use of primary sources. They've used the 2.3M figure from Vivendi, and yet they're not using the 6.7M+ figure for BTW from the same primary source. That's where the issue of inconsistency comes from. If they're using the 15M for TF/TFM and 2.3M+ for ARTPOP, why not use the 6.7M+ for BTW, since all of these numbers come from one primary source? Anyway, that's for Wikipedia to address, but yeah. I agree with you regarding ARTPOP's performance. I, too, believe that the 2.5M figure for ARTPOP isn't incorrect or "wrong", if including the sales for this year. After all, the best source of album sales is the one that actually distributes the albums themselves and have direct links with the retailers, and that's the label. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yves 1,891 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Are you saying 319 albums released in 2013 outsold ARTPOP? Here is a list of 639 albums released that year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2013_albums Edit: It looks liked ARTPOP ranked #103 for 2013, which puts in the top 20 percent. By industry standards, the album did well. The other 80% probably would have been thrilled to have ARTPOP's sales. Honey, you didn't say 2013 albums. You said recording artists. Well, we are entitled to opinions so I considered ARTPOP as Gaga's worst album in terms of sales and quality. It's a flop for me. Get your facts straight so you don't embarass yourself :later: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1495 991 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 It's like if Taylor Swifts album doesn't sell 1 million in its first week, people will say she flopped. People make expectations of artist and that shouldn't constitute whether a person is successful or not. Like if '1989' were to sell 700,000 in it's first week (which it most likely surpass) people would say that it flopped, even though it sold over half a million copies. :smh: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Honey, you didn't say 2013 albums. You said recording artists. Well, we are entitled to opinions so I considered ARTPOP as Gaga's worst album in terms of sales and quality. It's a flop for me. Get your facts straight so you don't embarass yourself I said the albums of all recording artists. If you don't like 2013 as a timeframe, then pick a different timeframe, such as the week ARTPOP was released, the month ARTPOP was released, or whatever. Then we will see if ARTPOP outsold most albums from that timeframe by all recording artists. Just because you think it is Gaga's worst album doesn't make it so. It sold less than her previous albums but still more than most albums. Many on this forum feel it's her best album in terms of quality. It may be a flop for you, but not for the people who love it. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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