djBuffoon 12,030 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That Madonna, was a established artist, shouldn't poke fun of younger acts This. Why is it so difficult to understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramamama 0 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 RIP Madonna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeforVenus 950 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Now I understand why Gagz work with unknown/ new artists (Too short/ Twista) ... she wants to help them so they can shine .... :) she is so nice meanwhile Madonna :xtina: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,251 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Once again refer to the post above yours. Madonna already is a Queen. There is no need for "succession". Madonna will always be recognised as a groundbreaking and legendary artist. Hopefully Gaga is also seen in the same light when all is said and done. To act as if Madonna wasn't relevant when she kissed Britney or invited Nicki to perform with her is just silly. Madonna is still a major name in Pop. People don't say Michael Jackson was using Britney for relevancy when he performed with her... But women are always pitted against each other. Madonna performed with Britney and Xtina just after she released the super successful and critically acclaimed albums "Ray of Light" and "Music". Let's be real here, the artists who performed or sang with Madonna where "using" Madonna's name for credibility and attention just as much as Madonna was "using" them to appeal to a younger demographic. I mean Britney asks Madonna to appear on her track, but that old b---h Madonna must just be a manipulative ho that used Brit for relevancy. Miley asked Madonna to perform with her but once again Madonna must have used her mind tricks and forced Miley to ask her because Madonna wanted to use her. What is Madonna supposed to do?? Every example of Madonna supporting a younger artist is just dismissed because every time she works with a younger artist it is an evil and manipulative attempt at trying to be relevant after a career spanning multiple decades. I mean really, all that is true. I never said Madonna was the devil, your making her out to be a martyr is ridiculous though. So many people have said that Madonna was a b---h. How people can think that she isn't a b---h, after all this time, is beyond me. Even Michael Jackson said she was a b---h. Claiming that she is 'supporting' other artist is what the problem is. She isn't. Performing with an artist isn't supporting them. She is doing it for herself. I couldn't careless why Britney or Miley is doing it, no one ever claimed they were supporting Madonna, but the claim that Madonna is supporting other artist is ridiculous. She is supporting herself, first and foremost. If another artist happens to benefit (which, not surprisingly, none of them have but that's a different story ) then so be it. But that's not Madonna's goal. Madonna is a genius at PR, probably the best in the business. A nice person though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,995 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I mean really, all that is true. I never said Madonna was the devil, your making her out to be a martyr is ridiculous though. So many people have said that Madonna was a b---h. How people can think that she isn't a b---h, after all this time, is beyond me. Even Michael Jackson said she was a b---h. Claiming that she is 'supporting' other artist is what the problem is. She isn't. Performing with an artist isn't supporting them. She is doing it for herself. I could careless why Britney or Miley is doing it, no one ever claimed they were supporting Madonna, but the claim that Madonna is supporting other artist is ridiculous. She is supporting herself, first and foremost. If another artist happens to benefit (which, not surprisingly, none of them have but that's a different story ) then so be it. But that's not Madonna's goal. Madonna is a genius at PR, probably the best in the business. A nice person though.... I'm not making her out to be a martyr, let's not get ridiculous, I'm just pointing out the double standards people have here. Cher wants to sing a duet with Gaga, what a legend she is such an incredible artist who is secure in her own legacy. Elton John performs with Gaga! What a legend he is so incredible and the fact that he is supporting Gaga is so amazing. Tony Bennett releases an album with Lady Gaga, how incredible for her to be recognised by a Jazz legend like Tony. He is so kind I love him. Madonna performs with a younger artist: DESPERATE! She just wants to be relevant, old hag her career is over she is just using younger artists to further her career What do you want Madonna to do to show she supports younger artists? She has sung praises for the likes of Rihanna, Katy, Lorde and a range of other artists and has collaborated with artists younger than her as well. She has beef with Gaga and can be a b---h. Whatever, Gaga's statement that she doesn't help younger artists is down right false. Like no - She just has beef with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray of Light 8,134 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Oh my GOD yes Gaga I'm living for this. Give Madonna that pre-era buzz shade. We need all the promo we can get Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,251 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'm not making her out to be a martyr, let's not get ridiculous, I'm just pointing out the double standards people have here. Cher wants to sing a duet with Gaga, what a legend she is such an incredible artist who is secure in her own legacy. Elton John performs with Gaga! What a legend he is so incredible and the fact that he is supporting Gaga is so amazing. Tony Bennett releases an album with Lady Gaga, how incredible for her to be recognised by a Jazz legend like Tony. He is so kind I love him. Madonna performs with a younger artist: DESPERATE! She just wants to be relevant, old hag her career is over she is just using younger artists to further her career What do you want Madonna to do to show she supports younger artists? She has sung praises for the likes of Rihanna, Katy, Lorde and a range of other artists and has collaborated with artists younger than her as well. She has beef with Gaga and can be a b---h. Whatever, Gaga's statement that she doesn't help younger artists is down right false. Like no - She just has beef with you. Yea except that Elton John, Cher and Tony have all done wayyyyyy more than just perform with Gaga. Like so much more. Just tons of support and love, most of the time they have nothing to gain from giving it either. I mean Cher didn't even release the song Meanwhile, Madonna released an atrocious remix with LMFAO. Obviously because she was supporting them right? Madonna "sings praises" by saying, "o yea they are great love them" if she is asked about them. What exactly is she gonna say? "Omg Katy Perry is such a generic hoe I hate her, she makes me wanna vomit" probably wouldn't go down to well with the press. Plus Madonna has no reason to make enemies with Katy Perry. Katy Perry isn't gonna 'replace' her. Call me when Madonna goes out of her way to actually support another artist while receiving little to no attention for it. Because that's what Tony, Cher and Elton have all done many times for Gaga (and Gaga for them in turn). That comparison is way off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Threat 5 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 why did she even say that :ghostney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,995 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yea except that Elton John, Cher and Tony have all done wayyyyyy more than just perform with Gaga. Like so much more. Just tons of support and love, most of the time they have nothing to gain from giving it either. I mean Cher didn't even release the song Meanwhile, Madonna released an atrocious remix with LMFAO. Obviously because she was supporting them right? Madonna "sings praises" by saying, "o yea they are great love them" if she is asked about them. What exactly is she gonna say? "Omg Katy Perry is such a generic hoe I hate her, she makes me wanna vomit" probably wouldn't go down to well with the press. Plus Madonna has no reason to make enemies with Katy Perry. Katy Perry isn't gonna 'replace' her. Call me when Madonna goes out of her way to actually support another artist while receiving little to no attention for it. Because that's what Tony, Cher and Elton have all done many times for Gaga (and Gaga for them in turn). That comparison is way off. Cher didn't release the song because Gaga didn't let her... She sure as hell wanted to release it and I don't blame her. What about an artist like Sting? Or the Rolling Stones? What about Bruce Springsteen? Where those acts just using Gaga for relevancy? Cause once again the reaction here was more about how amazing and supportive these legends are. They don't seem so personal and cosy though. Of course Katy Perry isn't going to replace Madonna. Nobody is going to replace Madonna, nobody could... I don't see how the LMFAO dig proves that Madonna doesn't support any younger artists.. It doesn't have any bearing for the support she has given to other artists over the years... Madonna has done that plenty of times... She even started her own record company to help artists breakthrough. Notable acts include Alanis Morissette and The Prodigy as well as WIlliam Orbit. She has praised artists like Lorde, she has expressed that she likes Rihanna and a range of other artists. She didn't get anything from praising these artists... She has helped artists breakthrough and she has shared the spotlight with younger acts as well.... She has supported Britney throughout her career, even during her breakdown. I mean, what specifically could Madonna do in order to prove that she supports younger artists? What have other legends such as Michael Jackson done to support new acts that Madonna hasn't? She clearly supported younger artists... I mean what else could she do? It's ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hola Soraya 4,350 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Y'all need to stop bickering... Mods any thoughts on the matter? ¿Tú me estás hablando en inglés? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,251 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Cher didn't release the song because Gaga didn't let her... She sure as hell wanted to release it and I don't blame her. Of course Katy Perry isn't going to replace Madonna. Nobody is going to replace Madonna, nobody could... I don't see how the LMFAO dig proves that Madonna doesn't support any younger artists.. It doesn't have any bearing for the support she has given to other artists over the years... Madonna has done that plenty of times... She even started her own record company to help artists breakthrough. Notable acts include Alanis Morissette and The Prodigy as well as WIlliam Orbit. She has praised artists like Lorde, she has expressed that she likes Rihanna and a range of other artists. She didn't get anything from praising these artists... She has helped artists breakthrough and she has shared the spotlight with younger acts as well.... I mean, what specifically could Madonna do in order to prove that she supports younger artists? What have other legends such as Michael Jackson done to support new acts that Madonna hasn't? When has Madonna praised other artists without being asked about them, or having collaborated with them recently? I can find literally any famous artist saying nice things about other famous artists when they are asked about them. That's a requirement if you want to work in the business. On the other hand, not too many famous artist openly trash others, especially newbies. Specifically, Madonna could be a nice person, support contemporary artists spontaneously and for nothing in return, and not trash talk others when unprovoked. Those things would be good enough. Donating to charities or creating a label as a business venture is not really the same thing as supporting your fellow contemporaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunk96 2,526 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 she is a b*tch tho i mean seriously ive always liked Madonnas music and performances but IVE NEVER liked her cocky and sly personality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertigostick 2,250 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Remember her open letter from August 2012 about the struggles she had been through during the BTW era?? "There was also of course the incessant dragging of the most important single of my career (BTW) in dead-beaten-horse-mud. Then there were all the personal moments. Betrayed by lifelong friends, mentors I've had for years suddenly taking advantage of me, and a massive struggle with my body image. The monsters of fame are very real."Instead of supporting her, Madonna just seized the opportunity and added more fuel to the media backlash against BTW. Which was Gaga's most important release, from both a business point of view (THAT difficult turning point after a massively successful debut) as from a personal one (spreading the message of love and equality she's so passionate about). Would you forget if someone you used to admire and look up to just went on to put down your most important work in front of the world? And laugh with the media about it? NO. Be honest you wouldn't forget. Maybe forgive but never forget. I don't think she'll ever be able to trust Madonna again. The best way is to try to ignore her, like she does most of the time. She was just answering a specific question here about her influences, and I think it's even nice from Gaga to say "I would love to mention Madonna". In doing this, she still acknowledges her influence (like many times before the whole BTW situation). But she also makes it clear that it's difficult for her to mention Madonna now, because she was so disappointed by her attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaeUrAnus 15,694 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The shaaaaaaade. In my messy era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,995 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 When has Madonna praised other artists without being asked about them, or having collaborated with them recently? I can find literally any famous artist saying nice things about other famous artists when they are asked about them. That's a requirement if you want to work in the business. On the other hand, not too many famous artist openly trash others, especially newbies. Specifically, Madonna could be a nice person, support contemporary artists spontaneously and for nothing in return, and not trash talk others when unprovoked. Those things would be good enough. Donating to charities or creating a label as a business venture is not really the same thing as supporting your fellow contemporaries. Well I did mention Lorde and Rihanna for the exact reason that she hasn't collaborated with them... I mean, who has Gaga supported? She is an established act by now. 5 albums under her belt... She worked with Kendrick, but obviously that doesn't count. In fact even though his people didn't want her version of "Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe" out, because they thought it would hurt his credibility before he established himself, she released it anyway. She tried working with Azealia but that didn't work out and she ultimately ended up shading her... She has had some new support acts on tour... But obviously once again she is gaining something from that so Essentially Madonna can't: Praise younger artists, because it's all done for publicity and good press. Invite younger artists to perform with her, because it benefits her. Perform with younger artists when asked, because it benefits her. Feature younger artists on her songs, because it is all to do with making her stay relevant Feature on a younger artists song, because it benefits her and helps her stay relevant Help acts like Alanis Morissette and The Prodigy breakthrough because it's on a label she made Support artists like Britney, even when she went through her breakdown, because she gets publicity Do remixes with LMFAO or invite them to the Superbowl because they are regarded as trashy Give her a break, what exactly do you want her to do? Madonna trashed Gaga at the peak of her career - not very nice of her but it hardly proves that she doesn't support all young artists. I mean Sting and Gaga aren't besties right? So he used Gaga? Marilyn Manson openly stated that he didn't get Gaga's music but featured on a Love Game remix, did he use her? The Rolling Stones and Gaga are not best buds but it was such an honour for Gaga to play at their concert right... Or did they also use her? Brian May on You and I and performing with her at the VMAs and at a Queen concert is amazing but done so Brian can stay relevant true? Ok, Gaga and Madonna have beef. Madonna can be a b---h. Madonna still helps younger artists, and some like M.I.A are significantly less known and successful than she is... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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