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NO ONE GIVES A ****ING **** HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VATICAN AND RECENT NEWS, NOT CHRISTIAN AS A RELIGION. Stop it, stop shoving Jesus on people that do not agree with you. I am born Christian - Catholic, but I don't believe in Jesus. Yes, I don't go on hating on Christianity or people that do believe in it, just like you shouldn't shove Jesus down our throats just because we don't share some values and beliefs. Damn it, I am through with this.

I was talking to NathanC who is absolutly misinformed. Not to you ;) 

If I should stop talk then people should stop saying totally bullshiit and be respectful. 

 

Take a chill pill. 

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NO ONE GIVES A ****ING **** HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VATICAN AND RECENT NEWS, NOT CHRISTIAN AS A RELIGION. Stop it, stop shoving Jesus on people that do not agree with you. I am born Christian - Catholic, but I don't believe in Jesus. Yes, I don't go on hating on Christianity or people that do believe in it, just like you shouldn't shove Jesus down our throats just because we don't share some values and beliefs. Damn it, I am through with this.

lmfao simon wins again. ****ing love this guy

 

bt hes not shoving it down your throat. you didnt have to click on this thread so basically you're sort of eating up his nasty christian bull**** on your own. 

I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.
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NO ONE GIVES A ****ING **** HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VATICAN AND RECENT NEWS, NOT CHRISTIAN AS A RELIGION. Stop it, stop shoving Jesus on people that do not agree with you. I am born Christian - Catholic, but I don't believe in Jesus. Yes, I don't go on hating on Christianity or people that do believe in it, just like you shouldn't shove Jesus down our throats just because we don't share some values and beliefs. Damn it, I am through with this.

You are Christian but don't believe in Christ? :confused:

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You are Christian but don't believe in Christ? :confused:

lol i think he was saying he was born into a christian/catholic family but he doesn't believe it to be the truth.
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Morphine Prince

lol i think he was saying he was born into a christian/catholic family but he doesn't believe it to be the truth.

For some reason when I read that post I didn't read "born" I just read "I am Christian-Catholic but I don't believe in Jesus" :rip: 

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For some reason when I read that post I didn't read "born" I just read "I am Christian-Catholic but I don't believe in Jesus" :rip:

yes me2 (although the point that it doesn't make much sense didn't click with me until you said it) hehe. but i think there are people out there who while they believe in the supernatural/god they also ascribe themselves to a religion without believing it to be truth but instead a philosophy to which they subscribe. altho i think that's just casuistry.
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The Vatican can re-write anything they like, but Papa Franny - Father of the Catholic Church and leader of over a billion Christians is saying some radical ****. He basically told these bishops to their face that their stance on homos-xuality is cowardly and hostile. 

 

Today Pope Francis said this in a sermon, "God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continuously surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways." 

 

I'm so glad Pope Francis is the new face of the church and that drowned harassed Ratzinger is hiding in a cave somewhere.

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What I don't get is why Francis is changing his tune. Didn't he vote against allowing gay people to adopt kids in argentina?

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I was talking to NathanC who is absolutly misinformed. Not to you ;)

If I should stop talk then people should stop saying totally bullshiit and be respectful. 

 

Take a chill pill. 

http://www.evilbible.com/what_would_jesus_do.htm i was a deacon studying to be a priest... educate yourself via reading from Bart Ehrman or even wikipedia before posting on the internet... you sound like an idiot... 

 

The atrocities commited by the catholic church can be googled... you have the internet... 

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http://www.evilbible.com/what_would_jesus_do.htm i was a deacon studying to be a priest... educate yourself via reading from Bart Ehrman or even wikipedia before posting on the internet... you sound like an idiot...

The atrocities commited by the catholic church can be googled... you have the internet...

I'm doing bible studies. Anyway you are not very good at discussions since you already began tö insult. Sad. It does tell a lot about you

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im not saying i believe in their religion

But if u embrace "modernization" and the values that change with it, whats the point of having the religion to begin with if ur just gonna ignore the biblical beliefs?

That sums up how I feel with stuff like this. If you're going to completely rework how you view and apply your religion to continue to fit in with society, why not just drop the whole thing completely?

Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~
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That sums up how I feel with stuff like this. If you're going to completely rework how you view and apply your religion to continue to fit in with society, why not just drop the whole thing completely?

For some reason I wasn't able to find Economys post but I will write it here.

 

When you look at the bible you see that Jesus kind of modernized Judaism. Also you can see a turn from the "jealous" God to the loving God. 

So moderinzation and change can be even found in the bible. :shrug:

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I don't get it. How hard is it for these ppl to just accept homos-xuality? It's really not that hard, and they're making it out to be some huge debate and struggle smh

Besides, that bible quote about gays shouldnt even be relevant to Christians as it's in the old testament. Wasn't Jesus supposed to come and fulfill the prophecy so they wouldn't have to follow those old rules anymore? But I guess any excuse to be homophobic is cool for the catholic church. They're more interested in following what old white men say than actually examining their religious texts. What an embarrassment.

well they believe in the bible and it fully is against the acts of homos-xuality. So of course they debate it.

Secondly Its not just in the mosaic law. Ive read texts that came after the mosaic law and jesus that also speak against it

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They need to catch up with 1970 and accept women priests and birth control, before they catch up with 2014 on gay marriage.

And pedophilia.

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