CHANTEL 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 she overhyped ARTPOP the promo was just normal for an album release, BTW promo was way more extensive but after DWUW was released as a single she practically dissapeared and didn't even released the video if DWUW would get more promotion and the video it would been a bigger hit and the album sales woulnd't have sink the way they did also she was getting serrious backlash from the media, almost everyone where trashing her work as musician and as an artist so the gp didnt even try to listen to the album they just dragged it for what they'd read and seen C2C promo was/is better executed Now let's not, and album doesn't need BTW sized promo to sell well. The promo it got was great nonetheless the hype was huge and she did promote well during the DWUW era, again, SNL is huge, and it also got the AMAs and the Voice. DWUW did well considering it didn't get a video but the promo doesn't justify ARTPOP's sales let's be real now, the album underperformed because of the music nothing else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's easy to blame the music on ARTPOP, but it's really no more or less effective than her previous works... And if that is the reason why the era petered out, why did I come across so many "fans" who didn't even know the album existed, let alone formed an opinion about it? Sis the album is good but if I compare it to previous gaga albums Imp its way weaker The fact you didn't find some fans who didn't even know about it doesn't mean the rest of the GP didn't, I encountered so many people at my school too who do know about her new music and album and the hate her, I don't even live in the US Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,120 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Sis the album is good but if I compare it to previous gaga albums Imp its way weaker The fact you didn't find some fans who didn't even know about it doesn't mean the rest of the GP didn't, I encountered so many people at my school too who do know about her new music and album and the hate her, I don't even live in the US Yeah, I've been comparing her albums with each other, ad nauseum, ever since she released more than one. I firmly believe ARTPOP has gotten a bad rap, and is as strong as any album she has released. There are literally pages of reasons why I feel that way. I trust my ears as a musician, producer, and Gaga fan, and I was not disappointed in the slightest. Going off of what I said in the previous post, I have exposed at least 25 friends and family members to this album since November and, lo and behold, they love and appreciate it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Fire 7,505 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is important to bring her confidence back 100%. She has 3 consecutive #1 albums. Slay And yes, Troy's lame management and severe lack of promo messed up the previous era. Anyway, I hope Gaga keeps doing this great amount of promo. I am so proud of her today. :hug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkBeep 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Cheek to Cheek is Gaga's saving Grace. She proved that she's not a flop and that she can still get that #1 spot. So funny seeing the Britards speechless over it in exhale lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muh 144 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Now let's not, and album doesn't need BTW sized promo to sell well. The promo it got was great nonetheless the hype was huge and she did promote well during the DWUW era, again, SNL is huge, and it also got the AMAs and the Voice. DWUW did well considering it didn't get a video but the promo doesn't justify ARTPOP's sales let's be real now, the album underperformed because of the music nothing else now let's not. If DWUW had a video you know it would at least gone Top 10 and the album overall would have gotten more exposure and interest in the gp to show the variety on the album, a lot of people didn't like Applause. Let's be real now the album underperformed because the gp and the critics were not for Gaga here anymore at the time ARTPOP was released not because the quality of the music. ARTPOP is a great great pop album it's miles better than The Fame and we all know TF is her best selling album so the music was no the problem here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkBeep 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Now let's not, and album doesn't need BTW sized promo to sell well. The promo it got was great nonetheless the hype was huge and she did promote well during the DWUW era, again, SNL is huge, and it also got the AMAs and the Voice. DWUW did well considering it didn't get a video but the promo doesn't justify ARTPOP's sales let's be real now, the album underperformed because of the music nothing else Wrong. ARTPOPs sales aren't even bad in comparison to everybody else. Nobody's albums sold this year. But the reason it didn't do as well as it could have is because the GP was against Gaga from the start of this era. They wanted to see her fail. It wouldn't of mattered what the material was. Everybody was just anti Gaga this year. Do What U Want is a perfect exaple. It's an amazing song that has hit single written all over it. It didn't underperform because of it's quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Yeah, I've been comparing her albums with each other, ad nauseum, ever since she released more than one. I firmly believe ARTPOP has gotten a bad rap, and is as strong as any album she has released. There are literally pages of reasons why I feel that way. I trust my ears as a musician, producer, and Gaga fan, and I was not disappointed in the slightest. Going off of what I said in the previous post, I have exposed at least 25 friends and family members to this album since November and, lo and behold, they love and appreciate it as well. again you CANNOT use your family/friends and more as reference. It doesn't mean THIS group of people liked it that the GP overall likes it also I would like to add that the overall decline of sales also affected it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Wrong. ARTPOPs sales aren't even bad in comparison to everybody else. Nobody's albums sold this year. But the reason it didn't do as well as it could have is because the GP was against Gaga from the start of this era. They wanted to see her fail. It wouldn't of mattered what the material was. Everybody was just anti Gaga this year. Do What U Want is a perfect exaple. It's an amazing song that has hit single written all over it. It didn't underperform because of it's quality sis, where did I say DWUW underperformed? I said it performed well especially without a music video. Stop, the GP doesn't just stop buying someone's music ONLY because of the media and the anti-gaga feeling, I'd like to remind you that gaga always had a big amount of haters creating an anti-gaga atmosphere. The fact that the media was bringing her down+the music+the decline of sales overall made the album underperform. now let's not. If DWUW had a video you know it would at least gone Top 10 and the album overall would have gotten more exposure and interest in the gp to show the variety on the album, a lot of people didn't like Applause. Let's be real now the album underperformed because the gp and the critics were not for Gaga here anymore at the time ARTPOP was released not because the quality of the music. ARTPOP is a great great pop album it's miles better than The Fame and we all know TF is her best selling album so the music was no the problem here now let's not, again where did i say DWUW underperformed? and you're using you're own OPINION about the quality yet not everyone has the same opinion sis. I personally thought it was a HUGE downgrade compared to TF/TFM/BTW so stop +DWUW still had some amazing promo. With a video the album still wouldn't have sold that much more, it wouldn't have crossed the 270k imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 22,272 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 no all her sales were tony/gaga fans obvi jk im sure her rep isnt as destroyed as we all think. if she puts out quality music, the gp's reception will reflect that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,120 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 again you CANNOT use your family/friends and more as reference. It doesn't mean THIS group of people liked it that the GP overall likes it also I would like to add that the overall decline of sales also affected it It's cool that you ignored the first 3/4 of my post, that doesn't bother me at all. Going back, I do think it's interesting that many people I know, all of whose opinion on music I take heed of, took the time to listen to the album at my recommendation (free of negative press, sales talk, or any extraneous context), and ended up really loving it. Like, singing it, knowing the lyrics, discussing it, the whole nine yards. Beforehand, some of them didn't like Gaga in general, some of them were fans but hadn't gotten around to it, or others who did not have an opinion on her whatsoever. Now, I'm not saying that everyone likes it, I completely accept that many heard the album and didn't like it, for whatever reasons. I am arguing that, just perhaps, if the album had reached more ears, it would have been more well-liked. I mean, the only two songs that the average listener would be aware of from the album were both very well-liked by those who did hear them. In fact, many fans swear that one of them would have smashed with a video, and... those aren't even the two best songs on the album. Go figure. At the end of the day, even if ARTPOP were Gaga's weakest effort, which I don't believe it is, there is still more imagination and musicality within it than many recent albums that were lucky to find financial success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's cool that you ignored the first 3/4 of my post, that doesn't bother me at all. Going back, I do think it's interesting that many people I know, all of whose opinion on music I take heed of, took the time to listen to the album at my recommendation (free of negative press, sales talk, or any extraneous context), and ended up really loving it. Like, singing it, knowing the lyrics, discussing it, the whole nine yards. Beforehand, some of them didn't like Gaga in general, some of them were fans but hadn't gotten around to it, or others who did not have an opinion on her whatsoever. Now, I'm not saying that everyone likes it, I completely accept that many heard the album and didn't like it, for whatever reasons. I am arguing that, just perhaps, if the album had reached more ears, it would have been more well-liked. I mean, the only two songs that the average listener would be aware of from the album were both very well-liked by those who did hear them. In fact, many fans swear that one of them would have smashed with a video, and... those aren't even the two best songs on the album. Go figure. At the end of the day, even if ARTPOP were Gaga's weakest effort, which I don't believe it is, there is still more imagination and musicality within it than many recent albums that were lucky to find financial success. Sis, again it MIGHT be the case with you're family/friends but it isn't the case of most of the GP. Honestly, Gaga was EVERYWHERE from August 2013 to December 2013. All of the US knew she was making a comeback, DON'T act as if the VMAs, SNL, AMAs, the **** ton of radio appearances, The voice, X Factor UK/appearances worldwide in japan... and more aren't enough. ESPECIALLY after BTW which also had a lot of overexposure and all coming along with it. Hell even with Applause's video and big promo it still only peaked at #4 while it's supposed to be Gaga's big comeback (Applause is a really bad lead single choice tho imo) Monsters really need to stop with the media/negativity thing, honestly people can STILL think of themselves if they like the music or not at the end of the day. Media ISN'T the only factor to the ARTPOP under performance, and since people knew about it, it's more related to the music itself. And sis, please. It doesn't mean gaga called the album 'ARTPOP', talked briefly about art and tried to be artsy that it makes the album have more 'imagination' and all you talked about at the end. And I did say that AP was gaga's weakest effort IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,120 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Sis, again it MIGHT be the case with you're family/friends but it isn't the case of most of the GP. Honestly, Gaga was EVERYWHERE from August 2013 to December 2013. All of the US knew she was making a comeback, DON'T act as if the VMAs, SNL, AMAs, the **** ton of radio appearances, The voice, X Factor UK/appearances worldwide in japan... and more aren't enough. ESPECIALLY after BTW which also had a lot of overexposure and all coming along with it. Hell even with Applause's video and big promo it still only peaked at #4 while it's supposed to be Gaga's big comeback (Applause is a really bad lead single choice tho imo) Monsters really need to stop with the media/negativity thing, honestly people can STILL think of themselves if they like the music or not at the end of the day. Media ISN'T the only factor to the ARTPOP under performance, and since people knew about it, it's more related to the music itself. And sis, please. It doesn't mean gaga called the album 'ARTPOP', talked briefly about art and tried to be artsy that it makes the album have more 'imagination' and all you talked about at the end. And I did say that AP was gaga's weakest effort IMO First of all, can you please stop calling me sis? Especially in the context you're using it, it's very condescending. Yes, I do believe that the epic media backlash had something to do with it. From my experience, I don't believe that many people had even heard the music from the album, let alone formed an opinion on it. And many still haven't. Usually when I asked people about it, they would say something like, "Didn't listen to it, but I read that it wasn't doing too well?" That kind of talk in the press started when "Applause" dropped, and isn't a serendipitous environment for an album to be released in at all. And yes, I think the album is much stronger than others that were met with more financial success (Prism, for example). I don't trust sales receipts, and I don't think that should be used to scale quality. I mean, the latest Transformers film was a humongous success, that doesn't mean it was any good. And just to be clear, I think your perception on the album is off. I don't believe the album was her "talking about art" and I don't believe it was any more artsy than her previous work. Thematically, I believe the album is about her straddling between artistic truth and global fame. And sonically, I believe that, yes, there was considerable imagination put in the songwriting and production of the album. I could go into more depth into why the album is quality, but it's clear that we're gonna have to parts ways on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katie14 4,828 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Did ARTPOP not go #1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviddarko 144 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 People always are here for Gaga. Remember the King Applause? 4 months in top10 People just want catchy music Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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