Cody Draco 2,531 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Uh oh, here comes the jazz police Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,895 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 this and [b{Gaga is starting to think alike...which drives me crazy tbh. This worries me tbh... Tony is brainwashing her with his old-fashioned ideas and his bad influence is rubbing off on her :deadbanana: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,881 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 i agree and have thought the same things u wrotte on this whole thing especially the second paragraph especially the writting your own music part My parents for instance love Celine Dion and i said "isnt half the stuff she sings not even her original songs?" my dad just told me that in the past people didnt pay as much attention to who wrote what song. He also said that fans were the only ones who payed attention to artists but that the average person didnt care much who the songs were from or even who sang it. When a song was a hit it was a hit but nobody cared who it was from im sure hes remembering the past in an exxagerated way but to some degree it may be true. ppl just didnt pay attention to the individual artist and if he was original in his work or if he wrotte his own songs as much as they do now I don't think Celine has ever written a song on her own. I remember I was shocked when looking through the discographies of a lot of legends to find that a lot of them never wrote any of their work. Frank Sinatra, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, Cher, Elvis Presley... We go on about manufactured acts now, but they were churned out on a conveyor belt up until the 90's. Today, even the manufactured acts are trying to be credible by at least trying to squeeze in an occasional writing credit here and there, even if it's just writing one line. Back in the day, they couldn't be bothered to do even that. There's nothing wrong with being a singer rather than a songwriter, but it's annoying when these people are bigged up as the greatest when their artistic creativity is very limited and their success was all down to the talent of others. Yeah, you could say the great voice and great personality was what made the song sell, but the song wouldn't have existed in the first place had it not been for the hardworking songwriter. Recently, we've even seen what can happen when a songwriter has a falling-out with the artist they were writing for and banned them from using their work (the Calvin Harris/Rita Ora debacle). The result? The singer's album gets delayed and their career hangs in the balance until new songwriters can be hired and pass the bar. And these are the people we're calling stars? It doesn't bother me if an singer doesn't write their own work, but it usually means I can't connect with them as well. The emotion of the song doesn't always translate. And it can make them seem as if they're in the business for the money and don't actually want to be an artist in every sense of the word. Actually, one of the reasons I gave up my dream of being a singer was because I just didn't possess the ability to write songs and could never get to grips with instruments. All I have is my voice. And I didn't want to make a career out of singing covers or of hiring people to write songs for me. I wanted everything to come from me and be an authentic artist with fans who loved my talent, not my songwriter's talent. And as I couldn't be that or deal with the pressure of trying to be something I'm not, I just moved on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,294 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 It's not right to see a non-writing singer as somehow not an artist, or not creative. They're two different (albeit related) arts, singing and songwriting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Well he's 88 therefore very, very oldschool. Cant blame him for his comments, although he could have used better wording! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high heeled fem 3 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Why does he shade Gaga like that it's so strange yeah uhhhhh wtf :ghostney: Tony and his hipster teas I'm sure he dances to Applause while no one is looking, don't break your hips Tony B! u rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,895 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I don't think Celine has ever written a song on her own. I remember I was shocked when looking through the discographies of a lot of legends to find that a lot of them never wrote any of their work. Frank Sinatra, Whitney Houston, Tina Turner, Cher, Elvis Presley... We go on about manufactured acts now, but they were churned out on a conveyor belt up until the 90's. Today, even the manufactured acts are trying to be credible by at least trying to squeeze in an occasional writing credit here and there, even if it's just writing one line. Back in the day, they couldn't be bothered to do even that. There's nothing wrong with being a singer rather than a songwriter, but it's annoying when these people are bigged up as the greatest when their artistic creativity is very limited and their success was all down to the talent of others. Yeah, you could say the great voice and great personality was what made the song sell, but the song wouldn't have existed in the first place had it not been for the hardworking songwriter. Recently, we've even seen what can happen when a songwriter has a falling-out with the artist they were writing for and banned them from using their work (the Calvin Harris/Rita Ora debacle). The result? The singer's album gets delayed and their career hangs in the balance until new songwriters can be hired and pass the bar. And these are the people we're calling stars? It doesn't bother me if an singer doesn't write their own work, but it usually means I can't connect with them as well. The emotion of the song doesn't always translate. And it can make them seem as if they're in the business for the money and don't actually want to be an artist in every sense of the word. Actually, one of the reasons I gave up my dream of being a singer was because I just didn't possess the ability to write songs and could never get to grips with instruments. All I have is my voice. And I didn't want to make a career out of singing covers or of hiring people to write songs for me. I wanted everything to come from me and be an authentic artist with fans who loved my talent, not my songwriter's talent. And as I couldn't be that or deal with the pressure of trying to be something I'm not, I just moved on.Celine was never a song writter for her it was about being a good singer What i meant by "half of it not her own" i meant half her songs she wasnt even the original singer independantly of who wrotte her songs. A lot were covers of previously sung songs For instance Celines famous song "power of love" she actually wasnt the first singer to sing that, she covered it, but her version became more popular and so ppl think of her when they think of the song :shrug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 All of these posts in the thread are exactly the same.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus 4,485 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Y'all are reading too much into this; scared that PopGa is gone. -𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐅𝐀𝐌𝐄 𝐄𝐍𝐈𝐆𝐌𝐀™ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highway10 1,072 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mucinex 4,260 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Tony need to stop being so conservative and old school Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink sushi 4,351 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Sounds like he's saying all of Gaga's past pop music wasn't good quality. :wtf: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luiz 4,253 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 dude probably hasnt even listened to her quality music that she has put out in the past and all he's heard from her is the electronic beats, repeating hooks and jibberish lyrics so you cant blame the guy too much for not viewing what he's heard from her in the past as quality.... I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forslayage 676 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I like tony but really? This seems a little overboard. It sounds like he's saying any of her old works were not good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Not shade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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