cometoogg 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 wat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat Boy 43,588 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Kween of shade When will Mariah? Seriously I think you guys are reading way too much into this. "****ing rat" - @Dynamite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americano 31,061 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That was slightly uncecessary but expected from him. And also, I'm tired of hearing Gaga saying "I started playing jazz when I was 13" and playing that card at every opportunity she gets. Like damn, how many times does this fact have to be shoved in our faces by both of them. Sheesh. During BTW era it was the word "disenfranchised" and being just an "Italian girl from New York," during ARTPOP it was all about "reverse-warholian experience" and her fascination with art since she was in college. Shes trying to connect with the audience. Jazz listeners like "genuine musicians," and saying you've been doing the genre since 13 is pretty genuine lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That was slightly uncecessary but expected from him. And also, I'm tired of hearing Gaga saying "I started playing jazz when I was 13" and playing that card at every opportunity she gets. Like damn, how many times does this fact have to be shoved in our faces by both of them. Sheesh. Her audience for each interview is different. Its not like every person who hears her has listened to every interview like we do. She can repeat herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills 446 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Gaga will gain more respect for a singing style that has no support from technology. No one will be able to deny her abilities, other than judging her talent alone. I think Tony wants to showcase this more than people are implying that he was disregarding her past work. She proved to be a great pop star before risking her brand in other directions, now she'll risk to show the world why she's a great musician and singer. Exactly. And Tony's other statements with this interview support that. It's the reality, despite others may want to dismiss. Tradition's (still) too strong for the notion of what's "quality music" from what's not to be completely changed. He's obviously an old school type of guy with an old school perspective on things regarding music. This interview is neither surprising nor condemnable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,897 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Everyone says things in a wrong way at times im sure he wasnt tryign to say her work before was crap that being said... all this "advice" he supposibly gives Gaga on making her career last... well... He wasnt really that huge exept for a few short years. Hes a legend because hes lasted so long (mostly because he started young and hes lived a long time) but really his success historically isnt that massive... 50 million records WW in 60 years of career? many artists sell that in a few short years also the music industry was different in his day, his advice on making urself last could easily have the opposite effect now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,881 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Tony's 88 and a traditionalist. His views are unsurprising. Many other people his age think exactly the same. We're all a bit biased for the music that shaped our generation and think it was the best (mostly because we grew up with it and it holds nostalgia for us). And once we're a certain age, our tastes become very rigid and we find it more difficult to open our minds to new sounds. There's no point arguing with an elderly person about why the music of today isn't garbage. The best you can do is just say what I've said above. I'm sure he didn't mean anything bad by this but it does sound like he's suggesting that she was limited with her original work and that these jazz songs have shown her what good music is all about. I find it funny that we praise someone for singing a jazz cover but criticise an original song. While a good voice and a good interpretation makes a cover good, there's ultimately nothing original about singing someone else's song, or having all your songs written for you. A lot of artists from Tony's day, including himself, sang songs written for them - they were just a voice and nothing else. That was the norm and no one said they should write their own work. But now we think being an artist involves originality and we criticise those who rely on songwriters or make a living off of cover versions, which is kinda how it should be, when you really think about it. I don't know how it's better for someone to sing cover versions instead of writing their own work. The problem with genres like jazz is that covering the classics is a big part of the industry, so all the classics have had umpteen versions, which all sound the same after a while as there's no other way to interepret them. And as no one's producing new jazz, it's just a bunch of people singing the same old stuff. That's why I wanted new songs on the album too - new material is what is going to revitalise the genre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 49,897 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Tony's 88 and a traditionalist. His views are unsurprising. Many other people his age think exactly the same. We're all a bit biased for the music that shaped our generation and think it was the best (mostly because we grew up with it and it holds nostalgia for us). And once we're a certain age, our tastes become very rigid and we find it more difficult to open our minds to new sounds. There's no point arguing with an elderly person about why the music of today isn't garbage. The best you can do is just say what I've said above. I'm sure he didn't mean anything bad by this but it does sound like he's suggesting that she was limited with her original work and that these jazz songs have shown her what good music is all about. I find it funny that we praise someone for singing a jazz cover but criticise an original song. While a good voice and a good interpretation makes a cover good, there's ultimately nothing original about singing someone else's song, or having all your songs written for you. A lot of artists from Tony's day, including himself, sang songs written for them - they were just a voice and nothing else. That was the norm and no one said they should write their own work. But now we think being an artist involves originality and we criticise those who rely on songwriters or make a living off of cover versions, which is kinda how it should be, when you really think about it. I don't know how it's better for someone to sing cover versions instead of writing their own work. The problem with genres like jazz is that covering the classics is a big part of the industry, so all the classics have had umpteen versions, which all sound the same after a while as there's no other way to interepret them. And as no one's producing new jazz, it's just a bunch of people singing the same old stuff. That's why I wanted new songs on the album too - new material is what is going to revitalise the genre. i agree and have thought the same things u wrotte on this whole thing especially the second paragraph especially the writting your own music part My parents for instance love Celine Dion and i said "isnt half the stuff she sings not even her original songs?" my dad just told me that in the past people didnt pay as much attention to who wrote what song. He also said that fans were the only ones who payed attention to artists but that the average person didnt care much who the songs were from or even who sang it. When a song was a hit it was a hit but nobody cared who it was from im sure hes remembering the past in an exxagerated way but to some degree it may be true. ppl just didnt pay attention to the individual artist and if he was original in his work or if he wrotte his own songs as much as they do now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairofhk 935 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Her audience for each interview is different. Its not like every person who hears her has listened to every interview like we do. She can repeat herself. Ok yeah, but there comes a certain point where it just starts sounding ungenuine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nein 508 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 :laughga: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deandra 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 holy **** he's 88? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Not surprised of this statement and for sure he is in a positive way. I can't imagine him enjoying Gaga's traditional kind of pop and songs like 'Swine' for example :ghostney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv u Sum 2,391 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ummm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylanica 15 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Oh man, this thread's gonna get messy. Let me just say that our perception of quality is probably much, much different to that of an 88 year old jazz legend. And he definitely encouraged her to be her best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titzlol 607 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Gaga can do any genre she wanted to do tbqmfh and make it quality. Thats why I'm a fan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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