Disregard 50 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 No, singing about erotic material is trashy, whorish, and only reflects negatively on one's character as a whole. Well I mean that's only if it's not Gaga doing it, otherwise it's inspirational and shows how in touch she is with her s-xuality and her feminist pioneering ways. Females are always derided for taking ownership of their s-xuality. This isn't a Nicki Minaj or a Gaga issue. it's a widespread issue with female artists and females in general. Madonna and Janet Jackson were the original pop girls who were labeled as trashy *****s who didn't deserve autonomy over their own decisions. Then came Britney and Christina. Nicki and Gaga are just among the next generation of girls who are aren't allowed to be s-xual without being labeled as sluts. The conversation of what is "taking ownership" and what is "allowing yourself to be objectified" is quite different. Nicki is definitely toeing this line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cher 15 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Females are always derided for taking ownership of their s-xuality. This isn't a Nicki Minaj or a Gaga issue. it's a widespread issue with female artists and females in general. Madonna and Janet Jackson were the original pop girls who were labeled as trashy *****s who didn't deserve autonomy over their own decisions. Then came Britney and Christina. Nicki and Gaga are just among the next generation of girls who are aren't allowed to be s-xual without being labeled as sluts. He was just making a point of how there's a double standard on this forum where whenever Gaga does something/sings something s-xual it's praised but whenever Nicki does it she's a tramp and talentless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disregard 50 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 He was just making a point of how there's a double standard on this forum where whenever Gaga does something/sings something s-xual it's praised but whenever Nicki does it she's a tramp and talentless. Well people on here will always be hypocrites, so I'm not surprised by that or expecting any change. I was commenting more on the fact that outsiders have tended to label Gaga as a talentless slut as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nein 508 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Onika :( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucia4 0 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 No, singing about erotic material is trashy, whorish, and only reflects negatively on one's character as a whole. Well I mean that's only if it's not Gaga doing it, otherwise it's inspirational and shows how in touch she is with her s-xuality and her feminist pioneering ways. But correct me if I'm wrong... I don't think gaga's IMAGE is "s-xual d--g b!tch". I think her image is more like "artistically crazy free b!tch". I dunno. Nekij Minaj could have some great inspirational story but especially now after the release of Anaconda I can see why they didn't want to have her give a speech. He was just making a point of how there's a double standard on this forum where whenever Gaga does something/sings something s-xual it's praised but whenever Nicki does it she's a tramp and talentless. Honestly it's not a double standard for me... I absolutely hate what I saw of the DWUW video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchcocktor 1,438 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 He was just making a point of how there's a double standard on this forum where whenever Gaga does something/sings something s-xual it's praised but whenever Nicki does it she's a tramp and talentless. Psht, Nicki is obscene, and that works for her to create buzz, cuz let's be real, if she ain't doing pop or shaking her juggernaut ass, or doing other vulgar things/singing about vulgar things, she just a decent female rapper Most of the other pop stars can somehow back their s-xualness with something else, like idk, class, and not selling s-x for the sake of s-x, but for the sake of artistic vision. Or then just talent like singing, dancing, acting, or just being a powerful force in the industry they are in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatSLAYGUY 68 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Who would actually turn this down ... like what did they think she was gonna do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cher 15 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Psht, Nicki is obscene, and that works for her to create buzz, cuz let's be real, if she ain't doing pop or shaking her juggernaut ass, or doing other vulgar things/singing about vulgar things, she just a decent female rapper Most of the other pop stars can somehow back their s-xualness with something else, like idk, class, and not selling s-x for the sake of s-x, but for the sake of artistic vision. Or then just talent like singing, dancing, acting, or just being a powerful force in the industry they are in. I will no longer address you because there's no point in talking to someone whose opinion is so negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix 34,639 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Who would actually turn this down ... like what did they think she was gonna do? Do the Anaconda dance during the speech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthorn 37 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Inspired by old high school.... rejected by old high school... trashes old high school I think the reason that they don't want her is exemplified right there. Just because she is famous doesn't mean that she is a good role model for kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 16,562 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Psht, Nicki is obscene, and that works for her to create buzz, cuz let's be real, if she ain't doing pop or shaking her juggernaut ass, or doing other vulgar things/singing about vulgar things, she just a decent female rapper Most of the other pop stars can somehow back their s-xualness with something else, like idk, class, and not selling s-x for the sake of s-x, but for the sake of artistic vision. Or then just talent like singing, dancing, acting, or just being a powerful force in the industry they are in. But Nicki has been slaying since before she was shaking her ass on Anaconda... She has been successful for years and has come up with some quality versus. She is one of the most quality rappers in the game rn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3af4Gz4Daw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW9rITLjKz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxo_9KbVS0I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekAXPCphKXQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHliQijgvA So yeah, she started shaking her ass in Anaconda, I don't think that suddenly makes her untalented or suddenly makes her stupid. You can be a smart, talented person who likes to shake your butt. Inspired by old high school.... rejected by old high school... trashes old high school I think the reason that they don't want her is exemplified right there. Just because she is famous doesn't mean that she is a good role model for kids. She didn't trash her old school... She expressed disappointment that they wouldn't let her come back and speak to students. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchcocktor 1,438 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I will no longer address you because there's no point in talking to someone whose opinion is so negative. Not even negative but okay. I'm not bothered by Nicki doing what she does she okay with me I just think it's ridiculous to claim that she has ALL THIS AMAZING TALENT yet she has to fall back to vulgarity and being classless to get attention on her music. You'd think being super talented would be enough to get attention lmao. Pills n Potions flopped, Anaconda didn't, I wonder why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Well she does have a verse "Take them to school, then I Columbine these hoes". Psht, Nicki is obscene, and that works for her to create buzz, cuz let's be real, if she ain't doing pop or shaking her juggernaut ass, or doing other vulgar things/singing about vulgar things, she just a decent female rapper Most of the other pop stars can somehow back their s-xualness with something else, like idk, class, and not selling s-x for the sake of s-x, but for the sake of artistic vision. Or then just talent like singing, dancing, acting, or just being a powerful force in the industry they are in. Her "something else" is charisma and a versatile voice and image. Not even negative but okay. I'm not bothered by Nicki doing what she does she okay with me I just think it's ridiculous to claim that she has ALL THIS AMAZING TALENT yet she has to fall back to vulgarity and being classless to get attention on her music. You'd think being super talented would be enough to get attention lmao. That's not how pop music works. Gaga has said the same thing (she never got attention on her talent alone, she needed wigs and costumes and provocative dancing etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchcocktor 1,438 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 But Nicki has been slaying since before she was shaking her ass on Anaconda... She has been successful for years and has come up with some quality versus. She is one of the most quality rappers in the game rn. So yeah, she started shaking her ass in Anaconda, I don't think that suddenly makes her untalented or suddenly makes her stupid. You can be a smart, talented person who likes to shake your butt. Do you know any female rappers besides Nicki lmao. Her quality verses are mostly vulgar or about disrespecting and slamming other female rappers in the game, namely Lil Kim. Sure talented smart people can shake their asses, but usually talented people are known for their talent, not their asses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sure talented smart people can shake their asses, but usually talented people are known for their talent, not their asses. Gaga is generally known for costumes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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