tokyodisko 0 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Exit this fanbase if you truly believe she's a liar. inb4 GGD shuts down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Anyone who hates Jazz is dead to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Right. If I were Gaga is the line I hate the most. But in this case... I dont think there is anither artist which is so idolatred and at the same time dragged for every move that doesnt apply to the market's rules. From a social point of view is odd to see people liking somebody coz he/she expresses her/his quality freely, asks others to be themselves, receives praise for doing that and then suddenly the person gets caged by the same people who respected the "out of the box" attitude. From a personal point of view as Gaga said people should start focusing on themselves and start creating their own visions by themselves without having to rely on the artist to deliver THEIR visions. This is just insane. If I were Gaga I would call these people reductive. Lol This. I look as Gaga as one of those artists like classical music composers or painters who create to their own personal visions and their own opinions of what is great regardless of what the public might think. When she says she writes for her fans, I think she considers her fans to be people who like the kind of music she writes to her own artistic concepts. If they didn't like the music she writes to her own vision, they wouldn't be her fans but would be fans of those artists who write for sales and charts rather than for the art of music. You are right, she won't write to deliver the vision of others, only her own vision. That's how we get great art. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 685 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 This. I look as Gaga as one of those artists like classical music composers or painters who create to their own personal visions and their own opinions of what is great regardless of what the public might think. When she says she writes for her fans, I think she considers her fans to be people who like the kind of music she writes to her own artistic concepts. If they didn't like the music she writes to her own vision, they wouldn't be her fans but would be fans of those artists who write for sales and charts rather than for the art of music. You are right, she won't write to deliver the vision of others, only her own vision. That's how we get great art. This overall. Otherwise we can kiss art, freedom and creativity goodbye. It is not about Gaga, really. Those fans pushing the "rulebook" dont understand that they are pushing that to their own faces too. In art what is given from the artist gets received directly to the end-user. Thats it. A feeling, a sense. By applying the rules of thecommercial market you put an intermediary in between the art and the user, turning the said user into a simple consumer and the artist into a product. Thats how you **** the art world up. Control inspiration, flair and talent of both the artist and the end-user up to the point in which the consumer and the product are running after themselves and their own "expressive needs" in a locked room. No wonder most of the musix out today is utter ****. And if you go on eating that ****, then you start to think this is how is supposed to taste, and you request more, so much that you wont be able in the end to be moved by a piece of art. You just simply ingest it. nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't stan for lady gaga the person. I stan for lady gaga the artist. Therein lies the crux of the problem. Some of us stan for Gaga the person, some stan for only the music or the entertainment she creates, and the two sides will never understand each other and will fight endlessly. Tbh, when I was in school I stanned only for songs. I didn't care who sang them or wrote them or what the artists were like as people. If I liked a song I listened to it and got much enjoyment from it. Now, things have changed for me. I really stan for Gaga as a person because of the kind of person she is and all the good she does on a personal level. Gaga is different, she's one of the gems of humanity. Other than Gaga, I just enjoy the individual songs I like by any artist and any genre, same as when I was in school. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 By applying the rules of thecommercial market you put an intermediary in between the art and the user, turning the said user into a simple consumer and the artist into a product. Your statement is quite brilliant, actually. And I love the way the artist becomes the product, not just the songs and albums. Very well put. I hope we can avoid Gaga becoming a product, but keep her as the creator of beautiful and inspiring art. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 685 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Your statement is quite brilliant, actually. And I love the way the artist becomes the product, not just the songs and albums. Very well put. I hope we can avoid Gaga becoming a product, but keep her as the creator of beautiful and inspiring art. We are here for this :) nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Doesn't that make her a double liar? Wut? Just because her plans don't always work out as she had intended, she is a liar? Gaga is the most genuine person among us. Her strength of character is revealed in her interviews: http://gagadaily.com/index.php/topic/44923-gaga-interviews-in-chronological-order/ I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miju 375 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't even see much complaining about C2C lol but the very few complaints or negative discussions that take place are attacked by tons of stans that defend her viciously. Then there's just a few fans who defend the complainer's right to complain and it's really annoying how divided this fanbase has become. doseofamnesia. tumblr. com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,915 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Is this still open? lol My impact tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Your statement is quite brilliant, actually. And I love the way the artist becomes the product, not just the songs and albums. Very well put. I hope we can avoid Gaga becoming a product, but keep her as the creator of beautiful and inspiring art. Unfortunately Gaga came out as a nearly perfectly packaged pop product that many fans wish was still being sold. I didn't become a fan until she became human. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giskardsb 12,565 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I don't even see much complaining about C2C lol but the very few complaints or negative discussions that take place are attacked by tons of stans that defend her viciously. Then there's just a few fans who defend the complainer's right to complain and it's really annoying how divided this fanbase has become. If the people who don't want C2C would just stay out of C2C threads instead of commenting negatively there wouldn't be an problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,915 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 If the people who don't want C2C would just stay out of C2C threads instead of commenting negatively there wouldn't be an problem. Exactly - or even if they just said that they don't like it but in a nice way, not saying mean things about Gaga and how C2C never should have happened... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOLANTIS 16,406 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I agree that ARTPOP has some gems on it, but the lack of success, no matter how unfair, showed us how vulnerable she is and how badly she wants to be successful, which makes me doubt her honesty when she talks about "doing it for the music, not the bling". It's rather obvious that she recorded this "album" full of COVERS to get the critics back. If her heart were truly in it, she would put some time to write new songs and take a risk, rather than releasing something to get the critics back so that they won't trash her next pop effort like they trashed ARTPOP. Imo, she can do whatever the fuq she wants. I'm gonna listen to C2C cuz I'm a fan but this whole era is so freaking dull and uneventful it hurts. I wanted jazz with the Gaga twist, not a cover album with studio videos... :( PREACH!! I'll lift you 3 inches off the ground and drag you to a meter and a half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 I agree that ARTPOP has some gems on it, but the lack of success, no matter how unfair, showed us how vulnerable she is and how badly she wants to be successful, which makes me doubt her honesty when she talks about "doing it for the music, not the bling". The reverse of this is true. If she was doing it to be successful she would have created an album of bling because that's what the public wants. Instead, she created an album of great music to her artistic vision. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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