LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 your comparing minorities to whites and males? But I mean, where do the obligations stop? He's white. Should he be an advocate for white power? He's male. Should he tweet about men's rights? The thing is if he's passionate about LGBT rights, I hope and pray that he speaks out. But to say he should speak out simply because he identifies with that group is ridiculous! He should speak out about whatever he is passionate about. That may be prison reform. Recycling. The relationship between black women and feminism. Whatever he is passionate about, I hope he uses his platform to inform people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 your comparing minorities to whites and males? not comparing at all. i'm just looking at him from the perspective of intersectionality. in addition to identifiying as gay, he identifies as white and male. does he have to support those causes just because he identifies as those? no. i'm just following logic. in no way do i think they are comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yes. You lose the choice to say no. You lose freedom. But I mean, where do the obligations stop? He's white. Should he be an advocate for white power? He's male. Should he tweet about men's rights? The thing is if he's passionate about LGBT rights, I hope and pray that he speaks out. But to say he should speak out simply because he identifies with that group is ridiculous! He should speak out about whatever he is passionate about. That may be prison reform. Recycling. The relationship between black women and feminism. Whatever he is passionate about, I hope he uses his platform to inform people. LOL WHAT??? You're comparing gay rights to white power right now... You still have freedom under obligation. You can choose to honor it or not. Just because you're obliged to do something doesn't mean you have to...it means you ought to! Sam chose not to honor his obligation as a high profile gay person to help other gay people. It's his right to make this decision and it's my right to say that was a dick move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 LOL WHAT??? You're comparing gay rights to white power right now... You still have freedom under obligation. You can choose to honor it or not. Just because you're obliged to do something doesn't mean you have to...it means you ought to! Sam chose not to honor his obligation as a high profile gay person to help other gay people. It's his right to make this decision and it's my right to say that was a dick move. I'm not comparing gay rights to white power at all. Hahaha. I was just following your logic that since he identifies as something, he must support it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 No one is saying his expectations are to go to every pride rally and be the new face of the HRC It's simply an acknowledgement that you have the power to affect people now, people of your own community who could have a new role model in you. It all boils down to just how really blasé and apathetic he was about it. Many gay youth feel so disparaged because they have no one they can really look up to. Now here is someone who is starting to rise up in a big cultural medium who's basically taking the route of, "well I was lucky enough to have welcoming parents, sucks for you guys I guess. You would all make me uncomfortable if I mentioned you here and then." He's made a big personality change with his new sense of fame and it just sends a message to youth saying "fake it to make it, don't really be who you are cause it might make some people feel gross." They have lots of people to look up to, from music, movies, tv, authors, producers, directors, news, businessmen, sports, politicians, etc. It's nothing like it was 20, or even 10 years ago. The fate of the gay youth does not fall on a solitary 22 year olds shoulders...one who is on shaky ground at the moment, due to the fact that radio has not been that favorable to gay males in the past and the fact that he is brand new on the music scene. There are hundreds of other gay individuals, who are older, more established and way more confident that are comfortable taking a leadership role, that gay youth can look up to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You still have freedom under obligation. You can choose to honor it or not. Just because you're obliged to do something doesn't mean you have to...it means you ought to! Sam chose not to honor his obligation as a high profile gay person to help other gay people. It's his right to make this decision and it's my right to say that was a dick move. I disagree with your argument, but it's absolutely your right to say it's a dick move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 theres no such thing as a "gay lifestyle" though. it doesnt make sense But that's why I wrote 'gay' because people (even from the LGBT) still think that being gay includes a lot of stupid stereotypes. I understand what he meant by saying "My family and friends have made it feel normal and I'm not going to stop that now" and I don't judge him for saying that. Most gay people are treated different after they come out because most people are not used to 'have one in home'. He feels more comfortable in that way and it's fine. I don't see why we should judge him for expressing his feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm not comparing gay rights to white power at all. Hahaha. I was just following your logic that since he identifies as something, he must support it! I'm just really scratching my head wondering why it's such a crime to be expected to help your community, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I'm just really scratching my head wondering why it's such a crime to be expected to help your community, that's all. Because charity and philanthropy are personal and it's no one else's business with which particular causes one becomes involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Because charity and philanthropy are personal and it's no one else's business with which particular causes one becomes involved. I just think publicly expressing that you don't want a hand in social progress because you fear the reaction of bigots is a really unfortunate thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 But that's why I wrote 'gay' because people (even from the LGBT) still think that being gay includes a lot of stupid stereotypes. So like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 So like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 his image feels so contrived,remember his twitter before he got big? then his label took over and deleted everything In fact, I looked at his pictures on social media LONG before he became famous. Out of the hundreds of pictures, there are two or three that repeatedly get posted here to try and prove he is now acting like someone else. People don't post all the pictures of him in singing in a tie at clubs, do they? They pick out the two or three to try and cause drama and make something of nothing. See how nice and supportive the male gay community is to Sam? They are soooo proud of a gay male artsit, who is on his way to probably multiple Grammy awards, aren't they? So like this? Exactly! Proving my point... ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 In fact, I looked at his pictures on social media LONG before he became famous. Out of the hundreds of pictures, there are two or three that repeatedly get posted here to try and prove he is now acting like someone else. People don't post all the pictures of him in singing in a tie at clubs, do they? They pick out the two or three to try and cause drama and make something of nothing. See how nice and supportive the male gay community is to Sam? They are soooo proud of a gay male artsit, who is on his way to probably multiple Grammy awards, aren't they? Mama was giving you GAY for days, that's just the truth of the matter. I think it's fair to conclude that he's something of a poser but still support him as an artist. Everyone is actually doing that so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I just think publicly expressing that you don't want a hand in social progress because you fear the reaction of bigots is a really unfortunate thing. He doesn't want to be a spokesperson, at this time. (remember...22 year old sheltered, inexperienced males will probably grow and change a great deal in their 20s) That doesn't mean he doesn't want a hand in social progress or won't take a different role than the one you have dreamed up as being the "right way" to push for social justice. Of course he fears bigots. What person, in his position, wouldn't? TBH, he should fear his own people just as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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