mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I mean it's great that she supports the gay community but it was REALLY annoying that her only theme of conversation in the BTW era was "gay this, gay that" it turned a lot of people off, even gays If I remember correctly, she mostly talked about rebirth, living between reality and fantasy, art, immigration, religion, whisky, leather...was she really preachy enough to need to tone it down? for an album that sold over 6 million units??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I wasn't trying to say he shouldn't be panicky about coming out...everyone is. All I'm saying is if he wants to not be so open about his orientation he shouldn't begrudge people for attempting to make an actual difference in the world by saying they're trying to be spokespeople. He's not begrudging people of anything. Everyone is free to be as active or political as they want to be. If you are comfortable being in a spokesperson role, by all means, go for it! That doesn't mean everyone wants to do the same or would even feel comfortable in that same role. Sam is actually making a difference, in his way. Making a difference comes in many forms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think it's good that he was open about it. I mean, look at the expectations that have already been placed upon him. Because he's gay, he's expected to be a vocal advocate, to be the face of the LGBT community, to prioritize gay identity over any other identity he holds, etc. He's saying he has no interest in that and I respect that. I don't think him tweeting about marriage equality would help homophobic gays. I think that's a completely different and unrelated issue. The glorification of masculinity is not something that a casual advocate could even begin to affect change upon. its like when lana said feminism isnt interesting and shes not a feminist it just doesnt make sense to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 same as Lana saying she didn't find feminism an interesting thing to sing about. It's not their job I like that this point was made because Sam not wanting to be a gay rights activist is just as ignorant as lana not wanting to be a feminist lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 This. Many people in this thread are twisting his words. He just said that being 'gay' has never been his lifestyle. theres no such thing as a "gay lifestyle" though. it doesnt make sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 its like when lana said feminism isnt interesting and shes not a feminist it just doesnt make sense to me He said he doesn't want to be a spokesperson, not that he doesn't have an interest in gay rights and equality for the LGBT community. Sam didn't say he didn't believe in equal rights for gay people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I can tell that many of the people who are saying "he said nothing wrong" are the ones who are apathetic about activism themselves and want to feel like it's justifiable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 He said he doesn't want to be a spokesperson, not that he doesn't have an interest in gay rights and equality for the LGBT community. Sam didn't say he didn't believe in equal rights for gay people. no ones asking him to be a "spokesperson" though, thats just him being dramatic. no one is saying for him to give speeches every week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 no ones asking him to be a "spokesperson" though, thats just him being dramatic. no one is saying for him to give speeches every week absolutely no one is doing it and he still feels the need to publicly distance himself from the cause just because he has the privilege of an accepting home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 no ones asking him to be a "spokesperson" though, thats just him being dramatic. no one is saying for him to give speeches every week How would you know what is being asked of him or not? Especially in interviews? Also, no one believes that "being a spokesperson" means giving speeches every week. :roll: You are the one making that term way more dramatic, than it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 How would you know what is being asked of him or not? Especially in interviews? Also, no one believes that "being a spokesperson" means giving speeches every week. :roll: You are the one making that term way more dramatic, than it is. all im saying is no one is saying he needs to be gaga level of activism but dont just act like you dont influence others as a celeb. . its crazy we have all these pop girls who does and not even a gay himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 all im saying is no one is saying he needs to be gaga level of activism but dont just act like you dont influence others as a celeb. . he's not acting like that at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDisick 1 Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 In all honesty, I'm ****ing ready for the normalization of homos-xuality versus the glorification of or hyperfocus on homos-xuality. How is he normalizing being gay by vaguely singing about gender less individuals? That's not normalizing that's trying to avoid being polarizing so you can sell music. he did not sign up to be a role model/advocate but I mean he's in the public eye and he could use that attention for good but I guess that's not his thing. whatevs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostro 0 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If he doesn't want to be defined by his s-xual orientation, why didn't he just say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 How is he normalizing being gay by vaguely singing about gender less individuals? That's not normalizing that's trying to avoid being polarizing so you can sell music. he did not sign up to be a role model/advocate but I mean he's in the public eye and he could use that attention for good but I guess that's not his thing. whatevs I'm going to say this one more time. JUST BECAUSE HE IS GAY AND A CELEBRITY DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS TO BE THE NEW FACE OF THE LGBT MOVEMENT. And it's normalizing because he's an out gay man and he's focusing on his work rather than on his s-xuality. Like ****? When are we going to let gay people be more than just gay? If he doesn't want to be defined by his s-xual orientation, why didn't he just say that? because it's an interview and sometimes people aren't as succinct as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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