SpaceAce 1,058 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 This such a great BS, it is not like there is a limit of jazz songs that can exist and none can be made anymore You didn't read the original post, did you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladey Gagz 2,512 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 You two have no idea what you're talking about. I've posted this elsewhere: I'm judging everyone who's underestimating the amount of work and creativity Gaga has put into her jazz album. So many good artists have covered the same standards since their conception and she now has to create something unique and exceptional with them. Does anyone think fans of jazz, or even just more mature listeners, are going to like this album if it sounds like something they've heard multiple times before? Even though we have good reason to call her one, she really isn't a jazz artist yet until that album comes out and she proves it. She's worked hard in the studio and loved recording this album, so I'm assuming she'd want it to stand out visually as well. They've filmed a lot of promo and some people have already written great things about the PBS special. She's clearly put more work and thought into this "side-project" than Katy "Straight From The Pages Of Tumblr" Perry has with her own damn pop album. Have some respect for your fave. The amount of creativity and artistry it takes to interpret these songs is on another level. The two released tracks alone are vocally superior to anything she's put out before. This isn't like Rihanna mimicking Sia's demo vocals or Britney Spears covering "I Love Rock N Roll". There's actual interpretation, phrasing and improvisation involved with this album. :excuseme: Is your explanation suppose to prove that she isn't covering songs? She covers songs and it's a fact. Not saying it's "wrong" or any less better, but you're trying to contradict us when it's a fact that she's covering songs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colours 128 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 how about people stop following one another and do something new then? :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAce 1,058 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 :excuseme: Is your explanation suppose to prove that she isn't covering songs? She covers songs and it's a fact. Not saying it's "wrong" or any less better, but you're trying to contradict us when it's a fact that she's covering songs You have no idea what you're talking about. It is, BY DEFINITION, an album of covers. Are there any original songs here? No. Then they are covers. It doesn't matter if covers are the standard in Jazz music. That doesn't change the fact they're covers. What, just because autotune is a standard in Pop music, it's suddenly not autotune anymore? Just throw out the dictionary definition because who gives a damn? Is autotune now suddenly, philosophically, the standard in pop music? Incredible I think both me and the op are referring to the belittling nature of the word "just". If you know absolutely anything about the genre or it's history, you wouldn't be using these words. And it's actually more appropriate to refer to them as renditions, not "covers". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Tulip 12,428 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I miss back in the day (2008-2009) when this fan base were mostly mature adults that accepted every fan has different taste and opinions on gaga's work and like now days her crazy fans get angry and belligerent when another fan doesn't like jazz music or anything gaga does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 106,041 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 when most people here say it is "just" covers they are doing it in a way to denigrate it, which just proves ignorance of the genre and also denigrates many jazz greats along the way. It's annoying. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 97,985 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 You didn't read the original post, did you? I did read, yes. And I don't agree at all, Gaga is a songwritter and a great one, why waste her talent? It mainly is a biased way of saying the a Pop singers/songwritters are not good enough to make jazz music. Gaga is just a mere voice in this project, they could have hired other person to sing those songs and it would be the same, there is plenty of excellent singers out there. It is like having a 5-star chef to make fried eggs for you. If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen 99 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 It literally is just covers. It's a base statement and factual no matter how philosophical you'd like to be about it. See that? That is an assumption. Are you saying this out of spite or because you personally know the people who complain have never heard of these jazz standards before? And don't tell people to quit it. This thread was obviously more about telling people that they're wrong than informing people what's right, no matter how many facts you put in there. The intentions of this thread and many of your others are the same: You can't change other people's opinions, so you use your handy dandy little pedestal to shame them and say their opinion is wrong due to circumstances such as lack of knowledge, to justify why Gaga is doing the right thing. It's obvious you do a lot of research and advocate for her. Like I said in the other thread, be critical. Not particularly negative, but someone with your intelligence shouldn't be limiting yourself to only saying good things about her. The negativity overpowers nothing here, there are tons of overly positive people here who don't know how to explain themselves as well as you and you should be broadening your ranges of discussion beyond "Bow down to queen Gagz" everything in this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel 12,525 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I miss back in the day (2008-2009) when this fan base were mostly mature adults that accepted every fan has different taste and opinions on gaga's work and like now days her crazy fans get angry and belligerent when another fan doesn't like jazz music or anything gaga does Honestly, I still don't understand why the minority is so surprised that the majority is not here for jazz. I mean yes it's Gaga but that has nothing to do with liking a genre. If you don't like it you don't. Plus, Anything Goes will probably not even sell a tenth of Applause. These jazz lovers need to stop attacking others. It's clear the majority is not here for it :koons: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I miss back in the day (2008-2009) when this fan base were mostly mature adults that accepted every fan has different taste and opinions on gaga's work and like now days her crazy fans get angry and belligerent when another fan doesn't like jazz music or anything gaga does Remember when a fan could say they weren't keen on a song and people accepted or discussed it without shady posts and threads! Those were the days! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic 20,830 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I think both me and the op are referring to the belittling nature of the word "just". If you know absolutely anything about the genre or it's history, you wouldn't be using these words. And it's actually more appropriate to refer to them as renditions, not "covers". A cover song fits the definition quite nicely, thanks. After all, the bare definition is:cover song - A recording of a song that was previously recorded or made popular by another. So it can be a cover and rendition. If cover sounds too non-intellectual to you and you'd prefer to say rendition then to ahead but it's still a cover It's obvious that in my first post I was correcting him literally, because by definition, C2C is full of covers. No matter how much you'd like to sugarcoat it Also, if you and the OP are accentuating "just", why is "covers" in parentheses in the title? That implies people are incorrect for calling them covers. When they aren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAce 1,058 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I did read, yes. And I don't agree at all, Gaga is a songwritter and a great one, why waste her talent? It mainly is a biased way of saying the a Pop singers/songwritters are not good enough to make jazz music. Gaga is just a mere voice in this project, they could have hired other person to sing those songs and it would be the same, there is plenty of excellent singers out there. It is like having a 5-star chef to make fried eggs for you. Now this is just your opinion, not fact. If you think Gaga is just a "mere voice" then I don't what to say to you. You don't appreciate the genre, we get it. But were just calling you out on your bias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Tulip 12,428 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Honestly, I still don't understand why the minority is so surprised that the majority is not here for jazz. I mean yes it's Gaga but that has nothing to do with liking a genre. If you don't like it you don't. Plus, Anything Goes will probably not even sell a tenth of Applause. These jazz lovers need to stop attacking others. It's clear the majority is not here for it :koons: What's hysterical is that most of these "jazz lovers" probably have no knowledge of jazz and only listen to cheek to cheek songs. Love gaga but this is not something I'm looking forward to. I never enjoyed gaga's jazz covers because I prefer gaga singing and performing HER own songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 97,985 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Now this is just your opinion, not fact. If you think Gaga is just a "mere voice" then I don't what to say to you. You don't appreciate the genre, we get it. But were just calling you out on your bias. She is a great singer, best one we have in the Pop scene now maybe, still I don't have any word to express her participation in this project And I like jazz, thanks for asking. If you see me posting like crazy, I'm either bored or procrastinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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