Jjang 2,262 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Madonna has always used people younger than herself to further her career, which is very odd, as they're more likely to inexperienced in the industry and time hasn't told if they'll be successful in the future. Gaga on the other hand, works with people older than herself, which is very smart, as they can teach her stuff that their years of experience in the industry has taught them and can also win her respect from older listeners (see her performances with Elton John, Sugarland, Tony Bennett, Yoko Ono, Sting, The Rolling Stones...even Beyonce and Christina Aguilera). That's the kind of duets that can further yourself. But I don't think Madonna's duets (she so rarely does them) have helped her gain anything. Timbaland and JT were the ones who sold 4 Minutes and even Nicki and MIA couldn't save Gimme All Your Lovin.' Plus, collabing with young people makes Madonna look even older alongside them. It's depressing that she's still doing this at her age. Even if this isn't really going to be a collab, she's spoken out before about those she wanted to work with for her new album and these names included Adele, Daft Punk and Lorde. If that doesn't scream "opportunist," I don't know what does. Miley played it wrong. Her antics have ensured that she'll be nothing but an artist who had one great year. Her biggest problem was that she went too far that she turned people off and pulled out too many shocking moves at once. If you're going to do shocking stuff, you've got to do it over many years and do it to a higher level every time. Miley has done every s-xual shock move in the space of 8 months. It means that she's run out of ideas and has nothing left to offer except a full-on s-x tape. And because she exhausted the public so quickly, they got bored quickly. She now has nothing to recapture their attention. Now it's a case of "Naked Miley? Seen it. What else you got?" It's very telling that despite her two massive hits, Adore You was an epic flop and the video still hasn't hit 100 million views despite it being in the same vein as her hit videos. Her album sold very poorly worldwide despite her hits and it girl status. Her tour is struggling immensly outside the US with arenas less than 50% full. It all points towards someone who got a taste of success and burnt out fast. A big problem she has is that besides a few fans, a lot of people are buying into her for kitsch appeal. Some people like trainwrecks. But they won't stick by her for the rest of her career. Also, a career can only withstand so many comebacks, no more than two, usually. But I doubt Miley could have a second peak considering how much she's made a fool of herself in the eyes of the public. Whats wrong with wanting to make a collaboration with the "new" artists for commercial purposes, though? singles are supposed to be successful and generate buzz for the album, look at 4 minutes, because of the buzz it had generated the album sold roughly 5 million copies worldwide. Although it doesn't necessarily work all the time, this technique is not something to ashamed of nor "depressing". Also, her age has nothing to do with this, stop trying to bring her age into the argument to justify your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORD GAGA 1,271 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 You're so biased and delusional its actually scary. People are long over Miley yet she had 2 monster hits? Biggest Gaga clone yet she has nothing to do with Gaga musically and performance wise. How do you even have the nerve to say people are over Miley when you know all about Gaga's latest position on the charts. Stop quoting me... your obsession is becoming nauseating. The only person on this thread MONSTROUSLY biased is you... and it isn't a secret. Miley is a very obvious gaga clone, the 'shock' tactics, the tour interludes etc and performance wise as well even though her vocals aren't very strong. I have the 'nerve' to say people are over miley because.... they are, that is all. Have a wonderful time in denial... FYI do not quote or reply to this, i'm bored of your obsession with my posts and with your incessant need to compare artists, and over complicate and over a--lyse things. Your conclusion to this post (even though you couldn't be farther from the truth) is that I'm a biased madonna hater who only likes gaga and bashes madonna even though she's the best thing since sliced bread. FYI please stick to the conformed post layout... centre justifying everything is very irritating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORD GAGA 1,271 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 That isn't impressive to hear at all... It could turn out to be a good song though... and in the end thats all that really matters tbh Judging by the factors involved though... idk We shall let fate decide tbh i think it might be like her PSY collab 2.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Stop quoting me... your obsession is becoming nauseating. The only person on this thread MONSTROUSLY biased is you... and it isn't a secret. Miley is a very obvious gaga clone, the 'shock' tactics, the tour interludes etc and performance wise as well even though her vocals aren't very strong. I have the 'nerve' to say people are over miley because.... they are, that is all. Have a wonderful time in denial... FYI do not quote or reply to this, i'm bored of your obsession with my posts and with your incessant need to compare artists, and over complicate and over a--lyse things. Your conclusion to this post (even though you couldn't be farther from the truth) is that I'm a biased madonna hater who only likes gaga and bashes madonna even though she's the best thing since sliced bread. FYI please stick to the conformed post layout... centre justifying everything is very irritating. The only reason I'm quoting you is because you post stupid ass comments on each Madonna thread that is created. Guess what? Gaga didn't invented neither shock value nor interludes, shocker! I'm still waiting for your explanation on how Gaga's music and Miley's music come across as identical, by the way. You are a biased Madonna hater, though? are you still in denial at this point? FYI, I'm not asking your permission for my style of posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,093 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 not even close Closer than you might think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORD GAGA 1,271 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The only reason I'm quoting you is because you post stupid ass comments on each Madonna thread that is created. Guess what? Gaga didn't invented neither shock value nor interludes, shocker! I'm still waiting for your explanation on how Gaga's music and Miley's music come across as identical, by the way. You are a biased Madonna hater, though? are you still in denial at this point? FYI, I'm not asking your permission for my style of posting. 'Do not reply to this post' Seconds later... Jjang has quoted a post you made... As i said before continue living in denial. FYI i never said their music was identical, Lady Gaga's is original, Miley's is written by a team of people. You can think what you like about me... 'biased madonna hater'... 'in denial' the key factor here is i simply do not give a sh!t. I do not hate madonna, i do not like madonna... in fact again... i don't really care tbh as for 'guess what gaga didn't invent shock tactics' your correct please have a GOLD STAR for your efforts, but let me inform you neither did madonna and in recent years Lady Gaga has played a major role in bringing the whole 'shock factor' back to the forefront of pop music, which madonna did in her time too, and many artist before her as well. STOP deluding yourself with your notions about me... the fact I am neither a fan of or a hater of madonna should have absolutely no effect on you or your life. So calm down, stop quoting/replying/trying to start arguments and listen to some music... because honestly i don't care, no amount of you insulting me will change my mind, I like many artists and if madonna does something i like you'll be the first to know i assure you, you're caught up in this whole 'blah blah is better than blah blah' and 'omg blah blah is so over' conversation which i honestly have no interest in... you continue if you like, i have no interest in replying to you and you will in effect be talking to yourself. As for your style of posting... you're correct, but there's a reason its not an option when creating normal posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 'Do not reply to this post' Seconds later... Jjang has quoted a post you made... As i said before continue living in denial. FYI i never said their music was identical, Lady Gaga's is original, Miley's is written by a team of people. You can think what you like about me... 'biased madonna hater'... 'in denial' the key factor here is i simply do not give a sh!t. I do not hate madonna, i do not like madonna... in fact again... i don't really care tbh as for 'guess what gaga didn't invent shock tactics' your correct please have a GOLD STAR for your efforts, but let me inform you neither did madonna and in recent years Lady Gaga has played a major role in bringing the whole 'shock factor' back to the forefront of pop music, which madonna did in her time too, and many artist before her as well. STOP deluding yourself with your notions about me... the fact I am neither a fan of or a hater of madonna should have absolutely no effect on you or your life. So calm down, stop quoting/replying/trying to start arguments and listen to some music... because honestly i don't care, no amount of you insulting me will change my mind, I like many artists and if madonna does something i like you'll be the first to know i assure you, you're caught up in this whole 'blah blah is better than blah blah' and 'omg blah blah is so over' conversation which i honestly have no interest in... you continue if you like, i have no interest in replying to you and you will in effect be talking to yourself. As for your style of posting... you're correct, but there's a reason its not an option when creating normal posts. Miley is the exact opposite of being written by some team, especially this era. So Miley is a Gaga clone because she uses shock value which Gaga also uses? yet you completely ignore the fact that both use it in different ways and for different intentions? that's the thing that makes her a Gaga clone? I think you need to recheck the definition of the word 'clone' then. You're definitely an obsessed Madonna hater, its not that hard to go throughout your history of post and statuses to prove that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LORD GAGA 1,271 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Miley is the exact opposite of being written by some team, especially this era. So Miley is a Gaga clone because she uses shock value which Gaga also uses? yet you completely ignore the fact that both use it in different ways and for different intentions? that's the thing that makes her a Gaga clone? I think you need to recheck the definition of the word 'clone' then. You're definitely an obsessed Madonna hater, its not that hard to go throughout your history of post and statuses to prove that. Whatever you say Jjang... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Whatever you say Jjang... * Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash 11 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Surprised that for someone billed as the queen of pop, she can't generate enough buzz the old fashioned way- promo or by doing something innovative- like Beyoncé. Instead she's relying on leeching off a younger girls popularity...again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houdini 103 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Surprised that for someone billed as the queen of pop, she can't generate enough buzz the old fashioned way- promo or by doing something innovative- like Beyoncé. Instead she's relying on leeching off a younger girls popularity...again. you don't even know if it's real so you are talking for nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson123 38,293 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 This whole thread is one of the reasons I dislike this site sometimes. Let's be real, this isn't about Miley. Ya'll just can't stand Madonna after the whole reductive comment that was taken out of context. Even if she doesn't care for Gaga who cares? It's her opinion. It doesn't take away from her amazing discography and artistry. Show some respect. She's lasted this long for a reason. A lot of people here are like that. But I love Madonna and her music, I've been listening to her since Ray of Light came out and I started listening to Gaga in 2008. I'm not mad at Madonna for doing the "Reductive" comment back then, because Gaga knows she does things Madonna has done in the past and she keeps doing them. I saw a lot of Madonna on Gaga and I still do, sometimes. I got disappointed when Madonna decided to actually release "Give Me All Your Luvin'" and that she decided to release MDNA with half the album being crap. I'm also not excited about the Miley collaboration (if it happens and if it makes the cut) because I don't like Miley Cyrus, I think she's just a poser and it annoys me how she wants attention doing her tongue thing like she's so controversial. Anyway, I'm a big Gaga fan, just like I'm a big Madonna fan, but for those of us who love Madonna's music know that she can really push boundaries with her music (Erotica, Ray of Light, Like a Prayer, Confessions, American Life) and that she can collaborate with TALENTED producers, but lately she decides to follow trends. Ever since Hard Candy, the quality of her music has not been the best, and that's probably because Madonna knows who she is and what she has done and just wants to have fun, and I guess I'm okay with that. When you've created an empire of pop music and legacy, you're going to enjoy that, but yeah, I just don't think Miley Cyrus can bring anything new to the table, and I'm just not excited about Madonna's album right now, other than Diplo's productions, but we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash 11 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 you don't even know if it's realso you are talking for nothingTrue, but then this isn't the first time she's used someone younger for for buzz, so even if this instance isn't true, she has still done it before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClapDown 0 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 True, but then this isn't the first time she's used someone younger for for buzz, so even if this instance isn't true, she has still done it before. And how will you react when Gaga creates a song with someone younger than her? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houdini 103 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 True, but then this isn't the first time she's used someone younger for for buzz, so even if this instance isn't true, she has still done it before. younger or not i don't see the goal of it ? Same thing for Tony with Gaga, he used her to get more promo and you're all happy with that. Same for Rolling Stones when they performed with Gaga. Your opinion means nothing tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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