Madonna & Miley collaboration on the way?

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And how will you react when Gaga creates a song with someone younger than her? 

With happiness, as long as it wasn't obvious as day she was doing it because she needed that person to create buzz, or I'd just be sad for her

younger or not i don't see the goal of it ? Same thing for Tony with Gaga, he used her to get more promo and you're all happy with that. Same for Rolling Stones when they performed with Gaga. Your opinion means nothing tbh

 

Neither does yours, but you're still here quoting me and posting crap every single day, so :shrug:

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With happiness, as long as it wasn't obvious as day she was doing it because she needed that person to create buzz, or I'd just be sad for her

 

 

How is it "as obvious as day" that Madonna only worked with these artists because she needed to create buzz? It could very well be that she liked their work and thought they could make good, interesting music together.

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How is it "as obvious as day" that Madonna only worked with these artists because she needed to create buzz? It could very well be that she liked their work and thought they could make good, interesting music together.

But it just happens to be a coincidence that these artistes are what's hot at that point? Okay then, let's go with that. Sad that she can't find less famous and also talented artistes to feature though, they could do with the exposure more than the popular ones that she's sure;y working with because of the music alone :yes:

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With happiness, as long as it wasn't obvious as day she was doing it because she needed that person to create buzz, or I'd just be sad for her

 

Neither does yours, but you're still here quoting me and posting crap every single day, so

it's just common senses, i don't know why it's ok for Gaga to work with legends and not for other artists working with Madonna (because yes she's a legend too). You know, for a lot of people in the GP, Gaga is in the same league as Katy, Miley, Britney, etc. Madonna had made solo album for more than 25 years, I think it's great that she collaborates with people she likes, I means she just want to have fun now with her music.

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But it just happens to be a coincidence that these artistes are what's hot at that point? Okay then, let's go with that. Sad that she can't find less famous and also talented artistes to feature though, they could do with the exposure more than the popular ones that she's sure;y working with because of the music alone

 

She's also done a duet with Babyface (Take A Bow) and sang a song written by Bjork (Bedtime Story).

 

Remember, also, the vast majority of songwriters and producers she's worked with haven't been well known at all before she worked with them. For example, William Orbit on Ray of Light, Mirwais Ahmadzai on Music and American Life, and Stuart Price on Confessions on a Dancefloor, and those are all within the past 15 years.

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She's also done a duet with Babyface (Take A Bow) and sang a song written by Bjork (Bedtime Story).

 

Remember, also, the vast majority of songwriters and producers she's worked with haven't been well known at all before she worked with them. For example, William Orbit on Ray of Light, Mirwais Ahmadzai on Music and American Life, and Stuart Price on Confessions on a Dancefloor, and those are all within the past 15 years.

None of those are features in the Justin, Britney Nicki sense, which I thought was obviously what I was referring to.

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I want Madonna to release a solo debut single for a change... She has to know fans want this.... It would probably even have a higher chance at success too....

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Now I'm not a Miley fan, far from it, but it's ridiculous to claim that her career is over just because she made a bunch of provocative moves. Madonna went WAY farther than her - ever see the Sex book - at a much more conservative time in American culture and still managed to come back just as strong. I agree that it would be a mistake for Miley to continue selling the whole s-x shtick so much, because that wears thin if you push it for too long, but I have no doubt that she can be still be very successful again if reinvents herself with a new image and sound. I wouldn't be surprised if she does something very mature, like Madonna's Take A Bow or even what Gaga's doing with Tony Bennett now. Miley actually has a very strong voice, like when she covers Dolly Parton's Jolene, and that will always keep her in good stead as long she's smart about her look and material.

 

Madonna did it in a more intelligent way, though and had an agenda with it (educating about the s-xual double standard, what s-xuality means, how we shouldn't be ashamed of our bodies, etc). For Miley, it's been nothing but pure rebellion that she's been dying to get out since she cut ties with Disney - nothing more. There's nothing deep about it and it's no different to any other child star's fall from grace, it's just that Miley chose to sing her way through it. And no, I don't see her doing anything mature until she's well past her 20's, but she'll not be successful by then (you seriously think she might do a duet with someone legendary like Tony?) but her past will always hinder her no matter what she does. Again, Madonna made a comeback after the whole Erotica debacle because she had the advantage of being loved for having a lot of great singles and albums up until that point. Miley doesn't have that because Bangerz is the most successful she's ever been and the only work that's ever been liked by anyone other than kids and teens. Because of this, at this point, she's known of as the girl who sang teenybopper music as a teen star, had too much fame too soon and ended up rebelling by having an era where she did every shocking thing under the sun. That is not the resume of someone who's going to have a positive legacy.

 

 

Whats wrong with wanting to make a collaboration with the "new" artists for commercial purposes, though? singles are supposed to be successful and generate buzz for the album, look at 4 minutes, because of the buzz it had generated the album sold roughly 5 million copies worldwide.

 

 

 

Although it doesn't necessarily work all the time, this technique is not something to ashamed of nor "depressing".

 

Also, her age has nothing to do with this, stop trying to bring her age into the argument to justify your point.

 

 

Because it's such an un-feeling marketing ploy and that's not good for music. I would rather collabs were arranged because the artists genuinely liked one another and admired and were knowledgeable of the other's music. I think collabs that are purely business arrangements are depressing as it defeats the passion for music. And I think her age does play a role - why would a woman in her fifties want to collab with a growing/inexperienced artist in their twenties? Teaming up with young people all the time just looks cringey as it appears that you're trying to "get down with the kids." Not to mention it seems like you're abandoning your mature music to make frivolous stuff with image conscious youths. Madonna is kidding herself if she thinks she's going to gain any new, young fans now. Her MDNA era has cemented her as a touring act for people of a certain age. You rarely see anyone below 30 at a Madonna concert and I'm being generous by saying 30.

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Madonna did it in a more intelligent way, though and had an agenda with it (educating about the s-xual double standard, what s-xuality means, how we shouldn't be ashamed of our bodies, etc). For Miley, it's been nothing but pure rebellion that she's been dying to get out since she cut ties with Disney - nothing more. There's nothing deep about it and it's no different to any other child star's fall from grace, it's just that Miley chose to sing her way through it. And no, I don't see her doing anything mature until she's well past her 20's, but she'll not be successful by then (you seriously think she might do a duet with someone legendary like Tony?) but her past will always hinder her no matter what she does. Again, Madonna made a comeback after the whole Erotica debacle because she had the advantage of being loved for having a lot of great singles and albums up until that point. Miley doesn't have that because Bangerz is the most successful she's ever been and the only work that's ever been liked by anyone other than kids and teens. Because of this, at this point, she's known of as the girl who sang teenybopper music as a teen star, had too much fame too soon and ended up rebelling by having an era where she did every shocking thing under the sun. That is not the resume of someone who's going to have a positive legacy.

 

 

I definitely agree that Madonna did it in a much more intelligent way - Erotica and Sex were very well thought out, calculated projects with enormous social importance. However, I disagree that Miley's antics are enough to destroy her career. She's not a one-hit wonder - she's been around since she was a young teen because of Hannah Montana. Even if she was flopping terribly, she'd still attract enormous attention like Lindsay Lohan or Amanda Bynes. Also, her antics, while provocative, aren't that bad - Justin Bieber has been shown to be truly a jerk and douche bag for years and has actually been arrested (way worse than her) but he's still around and receives attention for his work. Why would Miley be different? Like I said, I have no doubt that with a good reinvention and catchy pop music that she'll be successful again. Also, don't count out mature collaborations - she did a performance with Madonna and deeply admires Dolly Parton to the point of regularly covering Jolene. Don't count her out yet.

 

Madonna is kidding herself if she thinks she's going to gain any new, young fans now. Her MDNA era has cemented her as a touring act for people of a certain age. You rarely see anyone below 30 at a Madonna concert and I'm being generous by saying 30.

 

This is a totally false statement. Have you ever actually been to Madonna concert? There are tons of people in their teens and twenties there, particularly outside of the United States. As for not gaining new fans, I'm 18 and became a fan during the MDNA and I know several people (including some on GGD) who are in their late teens and early twenties and are Madonna fans.

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I want Madonna to release a solo debut single for a change... She has to know fans want this.... It would probably even have a higher chance at success too....

 

Yeah, I have to agree... and even if a solo song didn't succeed, like you said, her actual fans really do want something like this. She would do still do "ok" with a solo song, she will still sell an ok amount of albums, and she still has 700 million dollars so it isn't like new music is needed to pay her bills, lol.

 

I am SO NOT looking forward to the new album mostly because of the EDM producers she keeps clinging to (an audience that won't translate to her just cause they like the one song at the d--ggie festival by them) and having to go to the younger artists who, again, most of their fans won't gravitate to her. So what's the point? Is she really this clueless still after MDNA making little impact with the producers and collabs she did there?

 

Sure, she may get a top ten or top twenty hit for a week or two, but she should realize that all of the effort of picking these producers and young artists doesn't really translate too much into new fans for her, or sales or chart positions, especially as she keeps getting older. It's a sad fact, but true. It's her same fanbase who will buy the album and maybe some new fans (but heck, she would get a small amount of new fans anyway if she were to just make a brilliant solo song).

 

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate an older woman wanting to do dance, but she could come up with something brilliant without the Diplo or whomever. What she really needs is a producer who will focus on a nice recording of her vocals (with some lovely reverberation, etc), someone to coax at least softer/sweeter vocals out of her and not something so hard/high, good lyrics and great production. Unfortuntely the EDM producers barely think in terms of vocals.

 

Ugh, sorry for the rant. Even though i think she has lost her touch, she still always catches me with at least a few surprisingly good songs on her latest albums (though these are the songs I don't think she even bets on.... look at a song like "Love Spent" as an example of the fans ending up loving it and she barely cared about it at first it seemed).

 

Oh Madonna, before you retire, we need one more straight up beautiful, soft and hell, even some moodiness of an album from you!

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This is a totally false statement. Have you ever actually been to Madonna concert? There are tons of people in their teens and twenties there, particularly outside of the United States. As for not gaining new fans, I'm 18 and became a fan during the MDNA and I know several people (including some on GGD) who are in their late teens and early twenties and are Madonna fans.

 

There were no young people at the MDNA show I went to, lol. I will agree with you, some young people still like her and will discover her, but the numbers aren't exactly that huge where slews of young people are getting into her, come on. If that was the case, her latest singles would have had higher sales and charting because this is mostly what the kids do these days, buy the single of that catchy song they heard on the radio or in a commercial, youtube, blogs, etc. They aren't buying a ton of albums - it is mostly her older fanbase that will still buy her albums (and those numbers keep declining).

 

I just had a rant above about the producers/collabs translating into young people getting into her (it's long, sorry about that, haha), and said that she really doesn't need a sh*t producer like Diplo to get her new fans, or a duet. If the song is brilliant, the fans will come, young or old.

 

This new album doesn't sound too different than MDNA and all that she is doing to herself is alienating her old fans. I maybe pleasantly surprised by the new album, but none of this is looking too great so far, and her vocals don't sound much better from the small clips I've heard. At least the lyrics are more interesting so far and aren't something like "give me all your love today', lol. But she usually has some stinky lyrics and "Unapologetic Bitch" makes me cringe. I've never said this until this year, but I am starting to want her to retire now after having been a hardcore fan since 1991.

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I just had a rant about the young people getting into her, and said that she really doesn't need a sh*t producer like Diplo to get her new fans, or a duet. If the song is brilliant, the fans will come, young or old.

 

This new album doesn't sound too different than MDNA and all that she is doing to herself is alienating her old fans. I maybe pleasantly surprised by the new album, but none of this is looking too great so far, and her vocals don't sound much better from the small clips I've heard. At least the lyrics are more interesting so far and aren't something like "give me all your love today', lol. But she usually has some stinky lyrics and "Unapologetic Bitch" makes me cringe. I've never said this until this year, but I am starting to want her to retire now after having been a hardcore fan since 1991.

 

Diplo is a "sh*t producer"? You're entitled to your opinion, but that's most people in the fan base or the gp feel. 

 

How is this new album similar to MDNA so far? During MDNA, she was promoting a film and million different projects, while she's solely on making new music for the first time in a long time now. And what small vocal clips have you heard? I follow her very closely and there have not been any leaks with this project yet. Yes, there was Diplo's La Isla Bonita dub plate, but that was a one-off, throwaway recording for a contest that shouldn't be taken as an indicator for the next album. As for the lyrics, the snippets she's posting are the most promising in their artistry since Ray of Light.

 

And, since you are self proclaimed "hardcore fan", I can't believe you want her to retire just because she's become "cringe" in your opinion. If you anything about her and her work ethic, you know that she'll work until the day she dies. A real fan would support her in her work and, even if you're unhappy with she's doing now, hope that she improves in the next project. 

[RAMROD 106,655]

This is like Cher x Gaga last year. Which ultimately doesn't happen.

Will this one come true? Stay tune! :fan:

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Her MDNA era has cemented her as a touring act for people of a certain age. You rarely see anyone below 30 at a Madonna concert and I'm being generous by saying 30.

 

False!!! 

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Diplo is a "sh*t producer"? You're entitled to your opinion, but that's most people in the fan base or the gp feel. 

 

How is this new album similar to MDNA so far? During MDNA, she was promoting a film and million different projects, while she's solely on making new music for the first time in a long time now. And what small vocal clips have you heard? I follow her very closely and there have not been any leaks with this project yet. Yes, there was Diplo's La Isla Bonita dub plate, but that was a one-off, throwaway recording for a contest that shouldn't be taken as an indicator for the next album. As for the lyrics, the snippets she's posting are the most promising in their artistry since Ray of Light.

 

And, since you are self proclaimed "hardcore fan", I can't believe you want her to retire just because she's become "cringe" in your opinion. If you anything about her and her work ethic, you know that she'll work until the day she dies. A real fan would support her in her work and, even if you're unhappy with she's doing now, hope that she improves in the next project. 

 

Yes, I truly do feel Diplo is crap, and nobody I know likes him, certainly not any Madonna fans I know. If Madonna wasn't working with him and I were to ask them what they thought of Diplo, they would either say they don't know him, or consider him EDM garbage (again, people I know, don't know about you). Sorry if you like him, I was not at all happy with her pick of him or Aviccii. So yeah, her pick of EDM style producers reminds me of MDNA already. That's what I meant about comparison to MDNA. No, Martin Solveig or Benassi aren't particularily EDM, but I felt like that's what she was trying to go for on MDNA, even the name expressed it.

 

Yes, I was referring to the La Isla Bonita clip that I know isn't on the new album, but I was sad to hear that she is still singing in that hard/high way that a producer like Diplo doesn't even think about because he is more of a DJ/electronic producer. And you can hear her vocals at the end of the clip where the London choir is singing and it is that high vocal again which I am getting tired of now. And I am not too thrilled by songs called "Unapologetic Bitch", Miley collabs or even Natalia Kills, not a fan.

 

But as I said, I will wait and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. I am not losing my mind even though my rants are long, haha. But yes, I will stick to the thought that she should maybe retire if this new album doesn't really bring something fresh. Or maybe one more album with a whole new direction of producers picked. No "EDM" please.

 

I do think she doesn't have the touch she used to, and I haven't liked a music video from her since 'American Life" album. A hardcore fan doesn't mean you just blindly back someone no matter what. It will do better for the amazing legacy she has built to bow out gracefully if she can't output the same as she did once upon a time. And you may think she will be working till she dies and I bet she does, but I firmly believe she will retire from music in the next decade. You can tell she is getting more tired of music these days. I bet she will work on other things, though.