The triumph of ARTPOP.

[Tropico 4,145]

by art she means recreating existing art pieces. BTW/TFM performances were more artistic then ARTPOP's ones for me

Example of TFM and BTW's art please?

And not exactly. ARTPOP had it's own original creations. Like I can't seem to find the picture but in December 2013 Gaga shared her own art pieces via LittleMonsters.com

And tbqh I think you need to be more open to ARTPOP and less swayed by critics/GP. :yes:

[Houdini 103]

Example of TFM and BTW's art please?

And not exactly. ARTPOP had it's own original creations. Like I can't seem to find the picture but in December 2013 Gaga shared her own art pieces via LittleMonsters.com

And tbqh I think you need to be more open to ARTPOP and less swayed by critics/GP.

all i see in ARTPOP is a girl trying way too hard to be artistic. performance are overshadowed by the fact that she want them to be too artistic. it not looks natural. her previous performances was really what she has to offer, now it's more a staged era.

[Tropico 4,145]

Well Gaga needed a foundation to work from and ARTPOP (album) is the foundation, so yeah we agree!

Oh yeah she tried to make the best of a bad situation but I think she also started making the situation a little worse for herself by trying to turn it into something more than it ever was meant to be. It's horrible that things didn't work out for her but I feel like she also fed the flames and actually accidentally made people decide to avoid it by making it out to be something other than a pop album.

Yeah they did, they did really add to the era in that sense, it's a shame she didn't have a larger audience for it because they were some very huge moments for pop music.

Can I just say though, I'm so happy someone else can actually remember and see that the album it's self is the pop part of ARTPOP. It's been painful trying to explain it to so many people who think the album is really experimental (in terms of production etc) when it's actually a pop album!

OH MY GOD I KNOW. I know this'll sound bad but it's actually people getting the whole point of ARTPOP wrong that makes me feel like I need to be so firm when talking about the album. The possibilities of the album were about the ideas she had for it to be shown off and the fact with the app she could add and add to it, it is literally limitless as a body of work as it'll never be "finished" as she can always perform it differently etc.... but then there's the fans that really feel the need to overcomplicate the actual beauty of ARTPOP, it's simplicity and power to grow.

I really like talking to you about ARTPOP

I like talking about ARTPOP with you too.

But I don't quite understand how Gaga fed to the flames?

And IMO... The reason Gaga talked so much about it was accurate in a perfect world where management worked they way she had wanted it too. She wanted to do so much with it. It was so clear. But sadly, things didn't work out as planned.

And imo... ARTPOP isn't just a pop album... It's like a seed... The seed was meant to grow a tree which would start an artistic revolution... But sadly... The seed was snatched away from her and was never planted. (Wow this must be the worst metaphor [or similie mess idk] I've ever made omg lol.) So I suppose... It was just an EXTREMELY good pop album.

Has ARTPOP honestly done smoother I believe an artistic revolution would've taken place.

Like Gaga has said in the first promo pic of the era she wanted to start a revolution where the pop artist would be in control.

Oh God, what could've been. :cry:

[Tropico 4,145]

all i see in artpop is a girl trying way too hard to be artistic. performance are overshadowed by the fact that she want them to be too artistic. it not looks natural. her previous performances was really what she has to offer, now it's more a staged era.

So you're mad at Gaga for having an artistic vision? Really? I understand for some people it's hard to swallow what art is but Gaga wasn't trying to hard. She made it work her her.

And by the way... Gaga IS indeed artistic.

[Houdini 103]

So you're mad at Gaga for having an artistic vision? Really? I understand for some people it's hard to swallow what art is but Gaga wasn't trying to hard. She made it work her her.

And by the way... Gaga IS indeed artistic.

ARTPOP is not art. BTW is way more artistic. the entire era what we had was recreating already existing art pieces

[Tropico 4,145]

artpop is not art. BTW is way more artistic. the entire era what we had was recreating already existing art pieces

Once again you have ZERO receipts. And of course ARTPOP is artistic. Just because she recreated old art doesn't make it non-art. It's STILL art. It's just more modernized and it's actually a new perspective of the art from the old one.

And there was also original creations.

ARTPOP took inspiration from the past. Made it new.

It ALSO as you seem to forget created new things.

And mess... BTW was a pop culture album. It was about society and pop culture. ARTPOP has more to do with art than all her other albums. They all shine in their ways but when it comes to art ARTPOP won.

When it comes to a message to society and pop culture and Religion BTW wins.

When it comes to Fame the The Fame and TFM win.

[Benji 20,113]

I like talking about ARTPOP with you too.

But I don't quite understand how Gaga fed to the flames?

And IMO... The reason Gaga talked so much about it was accurate in a perfect world where management worked they way she had wanted it too. She wanted to do so much with it. It was so clear. But sadly, things didn't work out as planned.

And imo... ARTPOP isn't just a pop album... It's like a seed... The seed was meant to grow a tree which would start an artistic revolution... But sadly... The seed was snatched away from her and was never planted. (Wow this must be the worst metaphor [or similie mess idk] I've ever made omg lol.) So I suppose... It was just an EXTREMELY good pop album.

Has ARTPOP honestly done smoother I believe an artistic revolution would've taken place.

Like Gaga has said in the first promo pic of the era she wanted to start a revolution where the pop artist would be in control.

Oh God, what could've been.

 

Well mid era she started acting a little off? Things went from creating ART with the power of POP to hugely focussed on just ART, ART, ART and I think that played a part (whether big or small) in the public neglecting her? People were already struggling to grasp onto the era and then she tried dragging it in a direction before people were fully on board? Kind of like sending a train off before all the passengers are on it?  :P

 

It's such a shame she couldn't execute the era how she wanted. Whilst I think the management were right in suggesting Do what U Want as a single, I think Venus' era could have been amazing because of the mini one we got when Gaga wanted it as the second single!

 

To me it is just a pop album but that isn't a bad thing. It stands way above other just pop albums (see bangerz and prism) for me but sadly it doesn't shine as bright for me as Gaga's previous as the statement trying to be made with the album isn't in the music? I think if she took a real crazy and experimental route I would be defending it more if it did backfire but I personally feel she knew that making an album lacking a statement (for it to be added and built on) was a bit too much of a risk to take? Sorry blabbing on now and went slightly off topic but yes, for what it is, it is REALLY GOOD.

 

Probably! If she had a stronger buzz around her and more of a general following I could see everyone rocking old paintings on their shirts! Sadly the only impact this era has had on the culture is now everyone is shouting YAAAAASSSS 

 

Ahhh don't remind me too much, it sucks so much things didn't go to plan

[LittleBoot 27]

No offense intended to people that post these things, but when threads like this come up, they seem to have the opposite effect to me. The more threads I see with people saying "ARTPOP was a SUCCESS! ARTPOP was GREAT! ARTPOP was underrated SLAYAGE!" it just seems to me that they are trying to overcompensate for the people that really don't feel that way, like people are tooting the album's horn but secretly worried about the album's success or public reception and feel the need to respond accordingly.

 

Unless someone REALLY feels that way about the album. Then, well, cool. To each their own, I guess. My feelings about it are mixed. I just get a bit of a panicked vibe from some of the things fans say -- when no panic is really necessary to me. 

 

 

[ClapDown 0]

Once again you have ZERO receipts. And of course ARTPOP is artistic. Just because she recreated old art doesn't make it non-art. It's STILL art. It's just more modernized and it's actually a new perspective of the art from the old one.

And there was also original creations.

ARTPOP took inspiration from the past. Made it new.

It ALSO as you seem to forget created new things.

 

 

Yes, it's STILL art. But it doesn't mean that it's HER art. 

 

The other eras were arguably more successful because she was working with top artists and designers of her time (like Alexander McQueen) in order to create ORIGINAL art. Think of the bubble dress, the disco stick, the inverted high heels, the pyro bra, the cigarette sunglasses, the facial spikes, and the meat dress especially. And those are just the clothes alone.

 

The problem with the execution of ARTPOP was that, sure it's great that she wants to celebrate art, but she was literally just taking pieces of art and putting herself inside of them. The era actually started off promising with the Koons and Abramovic collaborations, but ultimately the predominant artistic statements were the seashell bikini and over-sized Mona Lisa t-shirt, both of which looked like cast-offs from an art museum gift shop. The whole effect was, dare I say it, a bit reductive...  :reductive:

[CrownClown 105]

I don't know, ask your three brain cells (no offence of course) 

Slay 

[Mills 446]

The Jeff Koons sculpture is definitely one of the highlights of Gaga's career as an artist to me. It isn't something you'd see any other female pop star, or musician in general, to have under their list of accomplishments or conquests at such an early age. She's basically immortalised by it. What can a fan ask for more than that? 

[Muh 144]

I actually think what this era has been missing is the ART side of ARTPOP

 

I mean I know she's done some art pieces/performances but tbh I don't really think everything she does is art. Look at the artRave

 

To me it's just a rave, where the art part of it?

The Jeff Koons sculpture is definitely one of the highlights of Gaga's career as an artist to me. It isn't something you'd see any other female pop star, or musician in general, to have under their list of accomplishments or conquests at such an early age. She's basically immortalised by it. What can a fan ask for more than that? 

nobody has seen it after the original artRave tho :

[Ronk 14,762]

Look at the artRave

 

To me it's just a rave, where the art part of it?

 

Have you seen one of the artRAVE concerts live?

[Tropico 4,145]

Yes, it's STILL art. But it doesn't mean that it's HER art.

The other eras were arguably more successful because she was working with top artists and designers of her time (like Alexander McQueen) in order to create ORIGINAL art. Think of the bubble dress, the disco stick, the inverted high heels, the pyro bra, the cigarette sunglasses, the facial spikes, and the meat dress especially. And those are just the clothes alone.

The problem with the execution of Artpop was that, sure it's great that she wants to celebrate art, but she was literally just taking pieces of art and putting herself inside of them. The era actually started off promising with the Koons and Abramovic collaborations, but ultimately the predominant artistic statements were the seashell bikini and over-sized Mona Lisa t-shirt, both of which looked like cast-offs from an art museum gift shop. The whole effect was, dare I say it, a bit reductive... :reductive:

And you act as if the this era didn't have their own original creations. The koons statue is one of the biggest statements of her career believe it or not.

And there is nothing... Absolutely nothing wrong with re-creating art. And the way in which Gaga does it she makes it her own art. She becomes the art with some new twists. Why is this so hard for y'all to understand? And I'm noticing a pattern in those who say this.

And Gaga has worked with MANY original artists to make her artistic vision.

And once again "Puting art INTO pop." So yes of course Gaga would have to take art (be it old or new) to make her ARTPOP.

And reductive? Of course this would come from a madonna fan. :later:

[Tropico 4,145]

I actually think what this era has been missing is the ART side of ARTPOP

I mean I know she's done some art pieces/performances but tbh I don't really think everything she does is art. Look at the artRave

To me it's just a rave, where the art part of it?

nobody has seen it after the original artRave tho :

The art has been THROUGHOUT the era. From the music, the videos, the performances, the fashion and so on.

And Gaga said in the beginning of the era that ARTPOP could mean a lot of things to a lot of people but to her It's a celebration of my career as well. and she said this because her entire career she's been trying to make ARTPOP happen and this era she'd make it her focus. And that's why artRAVE is a rave. To celebrate her career.

Y'all need to pay attention this era.