d1psy 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Let me tell you what happened. 15 july - 9 eu countries don't agree to use another sanctions 16 july - another sanctions by usa for Russia 17 july - 1. ukrainian goverment got "information" that rebels of Donetsk Republic have rocket missles that can bring down planes at 10km+ 2. Half an hour later kiev terro... goverment says that DNR army shot it down 3. There's no rocket launchers in DNR army that can shot down any plane at 10km+ height 4. It's war between ukrainian goverment and citizens of Donetsk and Luhansk. But obama and eu are trying to convince people that Russia is aggressor So I think you understand now, that usa and kiev goverment want other EU countries to believe, that it was Russia, who shot down plane Edited July 17, 2014 by d1psy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Josh 3 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Number of dead from crash of MH17 more than 300, includes 23 U.S. citizen: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high heeled fem 3 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So many Dutch people died... R.I.P. hey luc where did u get these pics from?? if twitter what user? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat 6,162 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Terrible, I can't imagine being family member of one of the passengers.  This guy was on the plane and saw it coming. https://www.facebook.com/cor.pan.7?fref=ts  He states 'In case it goes missing, this is how it looks like' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Let me tell you what happened. 15 july - 9 eu countries don't agree to use another sanctions 16 july - another sanctions by usa for Russia 17 july - 1. ukrainian goverment got "information" that rebels of Donetsk Republic have rocket missles that can bring down planes at 10km+ 2. Half an hour later kiev terro... goverment says that DNR army shot it down 3. There's no rocket launchers in DNR army that can shot down any plane at 10km+ height 4. It's war between ukrainian goverment and citizens of Donetsk and Luhansk. But obama and eu are trying to convince people that Russia is aggressor Um there's already evidence that pro-Russian groups have these weapons. Â It is believed they used a BUK. Â The BUK is a self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems in the Soviet era and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, aircraf and and unmanned aerial vehicles. Modern versions can reach up to 80,000 feet. Â The separatists have denied having any such systems. But the Associated Press is reporting that one of its journalists saw a launcher that resembled a Russian BUK system - the kind the Ukrainian goverment says carried out the strike - near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier today. The Russian network TV Zvezda, the news network for the Russian military, did report that a Buk fell to separatist hands on June 29th. Â And Russia is an aggressor. Â Edited July 17, 2014 by ZacharyMark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1psy 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Um there's already evidence that pro-Russian groups have these weapons. Â It is believed they used a BUK. Â The BUK is a self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems in the Soviet era and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, aircraf and and unmanned aerial vehicles. Modern versions can reach up to 80,000 feet. Â The separatists have denied having any such systems. But the Associated Press is reporting that one of its journalists saw a launcher that resembled a Russian BUK system - the kind the Ukrainian goverment says carried out the strike - near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier today. The Russian network TV Zvezda, the news network for the Russian military, did report that a Buk fell to separatist hands on June 29th. Â And Russia is an aggressor. Â Evidence? By ukrainian goverment, huh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc 4,776 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Is this real? :emo: Yeah... you see a Malaysian passport too, there's not many people who can collect a Malaysian passport and 8 Dutch passports in such a short time. Â hey luc where did u get these pics from?? if twitter what user? Twitter... not a particular users, there are multiple Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1psy 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Um there's already evidence that pro-Russian groups have these weapons. Â It is believed they used a BUK. Â The BUK is a self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems in the Soviet era and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, aircraf and and unmanned aerial vehicles. Modern versions can reach up to 80,000 feet. Â The separatists have denied having any such systems. But the Associated Press is reporting that one of its journalists saw a launcher that resembled a Russian BUK system - the kind the Ukrainian goverment says carried out the strike - near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier today. The Russian network TV Zvezda, the news network for the Russian military, did report that a Buk fell to separatist hands on June 29th. Â And Russia is an aggressor. Â as someone, who actually lives here, I want to say NO!! Russia is not aggressor! There's no even russian army. Here's just people, who don't agree with ukrainian goverment, but instead of listening us, they chose to kill us. They choose war! They're killing our kids. Actually it's usa killing our kids, but using ukraine as a tool Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,825 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Evidence? By ukrainian goverment, huh? @spainbuca He is an ATC in Kiev Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Evidence? By ukrainian goverment, huh? I never said they shot down the plane. Â All I'm saying is that these weapons are currently present in the area. Â I don't need to hear your conspiracy theories. Â The information we have at the moment is what we have. Â This isn't Obama's fault. Â Nor the EU. Â So stop making assumptions without credible sources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1psy 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I never said they shot down the plane. Â All I'm saying is that these weapons are currently present in the area. Â I don't need to hear your conspiracy theories. Â The information we have at the moment is what we have. Â This isn't Obama's fault. Â Nor the EU. Â So stop making assumptions without credible sources. well, you just said, that Russia is aggressor. And then you said "So stop making assumptions without credible sources." hmmm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 as someone, who actually lives here, I want to say NO!! Russia is not aggressor! There's no even russian army. Here's just people, who don't agree with ukrainian goverment, but instead of listening us, they chose to kill us. They choose war! They're killing our kids. Actually it's usa killing our kids, but using ukraine as a tool Are you kidding me? Â Of course Russia is an aggressor. Â The Russian army has stepped forth in Ukraine and have made a damn good impression that they are. Â From my perspective I see aggression on both sides. Â Your side however choose to rise against the Ukrainian govt, not them deciding to kill you. Â And stop.... The USA is not killing your kids. Â Just stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d1psy 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The plane was shot down by ukrainian SU-25, a few moments later rebels shot SU-25 down Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Josh 3 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 as someone, who actually lives here, I want to say NO!! Russia is not aggressor! There's no even russian army. Here's just people, who don't agree with ukrainian goverment, but instead of listening us, they chose to kill us. They choose war! They're killing our kids. Actually it's usa killing our kids, but using ukraine as a tool Not really sure how to respond Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 well, you just said, that Russia is aggressor. And then you said "So stop making assumptions without credible sources." hmmm Because I do have credible sources. Â I don't get your argument through what you just said. Â But yea, Russia is an aggressor with multiple sources and history. Â Everyone and Russia knows that. Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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