Cupid 760 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 What the heck in Sweden HIV is actually more transmitted via "straight s-x" than "gay s-x". In many civilized western countries it's just a myth that this is some kind of "gay disease". It's time for straight people to also react Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valextra 58 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 That's a very interesting point you make. That's why I included the opinion of the Flemish organization who was far more rational, I thought. Thanks for respoinding and raising an interesting point You're welcome ;) I'm very interested in pharmaceutic-medical business in general, there a lot of things that media don't say about that because there a lot of money around it, the biggest business nowadays, I think that a lot of diseases coming properly from some kind of medicines and we live in world that also for stupid things we take immediately medication d--gs without know what they're for real thinking that only because you take it in a Pharmacy is good, I know several people who ruined their life because of medicines, and I'm not talking about 'addiction' or things like that. Doctors prescribe too much things without a serious motivation, and why? Money... Do you think that if they find a cure for the cancer would they allow it? Absolutely not, there are too much money around, and big pharmaceutic companies need that people stay sick for their business. It's a really complicated issue to discuss and maybe I'm not the right person... But people need to be careful on what they take and like in this case a medicine so strong for your organism it could be very dangerous, it's like saying that healthy people need to do chemotherapy to 'prevent' cancer My point of view ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 117,979 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Just for your own safety, in the context of the number HIV infected gay men rising every year Nothing to feel insulted for. Well, I feel like being stereotyped is all. (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ✧*:・゚ ⁱᵐ'ᵐᵃ ʰⁱᵗ ᵈᵉᶠʳᵒˢᵗ ᵒⁿ ʸᵃ, ˡᵉᵗ'ˢ ᵍᵉᵗ ⁱᵗ ᵇˡᵃᶻⁱⁿᵍ﹗ (*´艸`*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALX 170 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The medicine they are suggesting everyone take is called PrEP or pre exposure prophylaxis I think it's a fantastic idea however it's not meant to be taken your entire life like a vitamin, they recommend stopping it once you're in a monogamous committed relationship. Also it costs a ****ton depending on insurance coverage and rebates and vouchers so they'd need to drastically reduce the cost for low income areas first Those of you who voted NO really need to read into this, this is a huge advancement in medicine and there's absolutely no reason why one shouldn't besides the cost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memo 176 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 No This is offensive. Just tell all humans to take the medication, then. This Why gay men when it's a disease that affects everyone :awkney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 The medicine they are suggesting everyone take is called PrEP or pre exposure prophylaxis I think it's a fantastic idea however it's not meant to be taken your entire life like a vitamin, they recommend stopping it once you're in a monogamous committed relationship. Also it costs a ****ton depending on insurance coverage and rebates and vouchers so they'd need to drastically reduce the cost for low income areas first Those of you who voted NO really need to read into this, this is a huge advancement in medicine and there's absolutely no reason why one shouldn't besides the cost Thanks for that interesting reply I also feel like the people who vote no didn't even bother to read the entire post or the great replies that have already been posted But thanks for making a contribution, I didn't know about the "vitamin thing" and that it was expensive, as I feared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,064 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Just for your own safety, in the context of the number HIV infected gay men rising every year Nothing to feel insulted for. honestly no we should be insulted. my friend once told me about a medicine to help with sickle cell anemia was being targeted towards black men. in reality, this should be targeted to all people instead of just "this is a gay thing, we need to market towards them" there are so many straight that dont use condoms and yet its just my personalized disease that i have to worry about because i happen to be gay? i dont ****in think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 honestly no we should be insulted. my friend once told me about a medicine to help with sickle cell anemia was being targeted towards black men. in reality, this should be targeted to all people instead of just "this is a gay thing, we need to market towards them" there are so many straight that dont use condoms and yet its just my personalized disease that i have to worry about because i happen to be gay? i dont ****in think so. The report was released with the main subject of homos-xually transmitted HIV still not diminishing even though there are plenty of HIV campaigns around the world. That's why this report was made I don't understand why anyone pretends this is supposed to target homos-xuals as a separate group. I'm sure this organisation has a lot more to say about non-homos-xuals and HIV. This is the World Health Organisation ffs. Stop freaking out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALX 170 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Thanks for that interesting reply I also feel like the people who vote no didn't even bother to read the entire post or the great replies that have already been posted But thanks for making a contribution, I didn't know about the "vitamin thing" and that it was expensive, as I feared. Also you have to be negative before starting it, though the medicine is almost the same as the one HIV+ people take to become undetectable. The first month, I've heard from people who use it, is also quite taxing on your body and causes a temporary loss of bone density. They kind of assign the importance of you taking it by evaluating several risk categories, like a black male bottom in an urban area would be considered one of the highest risk categories Generally speaking, most positive individuals are bottoms because it's very difficult for a circumcised top to contract the virus unless there's a lot of blood or a small cut...so just your preference is a risk category. I'm very well read on the subject because my roommate is about to begin taking it and it's all I've read about for months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Wonka 4 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Aside from the cost, I think it's great and I don't know why people wouldn't take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 These always sound "good" but it's exactly the same as the over use of antibiotics, the virus will adapt and grow so that the medication becomes useless and we are back to square one. We need to find a cure that directly kills the virus instead of offering a meantime prevention although it'll be incredibly hard to completely stop the virus due to it being so widespread and the chances of new strains emerging as we battle it is also likely. To summarise, we should be more focussed on educating everyone on how important it is to use protection. Also, telling all gay men to take the medication diminishes the image of HIV that the threat of it is applicable to everyone, it's present among straight people, if not more if you take into account the entire world's population and not just first world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus 1,494 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Can you still get HIV even if you use a condom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji 20,113 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Can you still get HIV even if you use a condom? If you have a skin puncture of some form and come into contact with HIV+ Blood you have a chance of getting it but the chances of having an open wound coming into contact with someone who has HIV+ blood is very low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus 1,494 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 If you have a skin puncture of some form and come into contact with HIV+ Blood you have a chance of getting it but the chances of having an open wound coming into contact with someone who has HIV's blood is very low. So it has to be blood? Then how do so many men get infected during a--l s-x? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 So it has to be blood? Then how do so many men get infected during a--l s-x? not just blood, semen too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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