Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[lego 44,165]

 

all citiznes enjoys equality in law

Israeli activists wave #ISIL-like flags in protest of immigrant detention policy

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVyCfJ5cOOA

With ISIS-style flags, chants of "ni**ers go home!" by Israelis at anti-African rally

 

 

country where gays are accepted

 

Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants - http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/blackmails-palestinian-informants#sthash.llXN13SX.dpuf

 

 

Reservists from elite IDF intel unit refuse to serve over Palestinian 'persecution'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.615498

 

Any Palestinian is exposed to monitoring by the Israeli Big Brother’

Testimonies from people who worked in the Israeli Intelligence Corps tell of a system where there were no boundaries

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/israeli-intelligence-unit-testimonies

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Israeli activists wave #ISIL-like flags in protest of immigrant detention policy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVyCfJ5cOOA

With ISIS-style flags, chants of "ni**ers go home!" by Israelis at anti-African rally

Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants - http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/blackmails-palestinian-informants#sthash.llXN13SX.dpuf

Reservists from elite IDF intel unit refuse to serve over Palestinian 'persecution'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.615498

Any Palestinian is exposed to monitoring by the Israeli Big Brother’

Testimonies from people who worked in the Israeli Intelligence Corps tell of a system where there were no boundaries

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/israeli-intelligence-unit-testimonies

Are you being serious? Do you even know that that they are illegal? They are illegal immigrants. Check your sources before posting.

ISIS like flags? Lol, this is so desperate... So every black flag is and ISIS flag? Please, don't...

Now that I've got some time to reply...

No, you overestimate her. She's not 'the Second Coming'', she never showed great knowledge of world politics, especially in the Middle East.

How is that racist? I said MOST of the Americans are UNINFORMED OR(AND) BRAINWASHED when it comes to Palestine and Israel. They are either uninformed or brainwashed, or both. Their source is mostly FOX(FAUX) NEWS and Sean Hannity, and their government is Israel's biggest ally so...it's the truth. There is nothing racist about it, I didn't say they're dumb, those are your own words and you shouldn't lie.

And look, I'll back this up

And about being a teen, sorry but when you grow up a bit after some 15, 20 years and look back at what you did or believed as a child or a teen, you'll most likely laugh. I didn't say I'm smarter, but I'm not that naive as I was when I was a teen, and as my friends were. I see the same in you.

There is nothing offensive about it. That is life, with years of life experience and thirst for knowledge your views will expand and you'll get more wiser, not everyone(!), but just in general. You won't just repeat what your parents are telling you or what you see on tv, you'll learn how to seek knowledge by yourself and have your own mind. Again, I'm talking in general.

And you haven't met a Jew who is pro Palestine and a peace activist?

Try to look for Norman Finkelstein, Elizabeth Tsurkov, Miko Peled, David Sheen, Noam Chomsky, Stanley Cohen, organization Jews for Peace etc. I'm sure you could meet many of them face to face, maybe you can convince them to become anti Palestine. lol

And no, Gaga is not stupid. But ignorant of the subject, yes. She doesn't know everything. And she didn't say she supports your government actions in Gaza.

I said Zionists, not Jewish people, but nice try. Zionism is not Judaism. And that is something what many of you are proud of, how many Hollywood stars have Jewish roots and how many support Israel, it's all in Israeli news sites. It has nothing to do with antisemitism.

Every little flaw? Your country doesn't have little flaws, it's an apartheid state which is constantly expanding, killing innocent people(and children), harassing and imprisoning innocent people(even children), keeping people on their own land under siege, denying them basic human rights, bombing their schools and homes to the ground and refusing to pay for the damage, the list goes on...

What else I have in my life is none of your damn business. I chose what to write here and I chose what to keep out of this site, and your petty insults are just showing lack of arguments on the subject.

And your last sentence is borderline Islamophobic, since you believe that everyone who is criticizing your country must be a Muslim. And while ago you blamed the whole religion for 9/11. Bravo.

I don't want to hear about life from you, I don't think any good will come out of it. You don't even know me, and you just generalize the teens.. That's very superciliois.

You are anti-Zionist. That's it.

Exact as Dolev said, you are obsessed, and maybe you are over-obsessed

[lego 44,165]

Are you being serious? Do you even know that that they are illegal? They are illegal immigrants. Check your sources before posting.

ISIS like flags? Lol, this is so desperate... So every black flag is and ISIS flag? Please, don't...

I don't want to hear about life from you, I don't think any good will come out of it. You don't even know me, and you just generalize the teens.. That's very superciliois.

You are anti-Zionist. That's it.

Exact as Dolev said, you are obsessed, and maybe you are over-obsessed

They are asylum seekers.

So you are justifying the racist slogans? Keeping them in the camps? Cursing Jewish women who are with black immigrants? That rally is disgusting.

Yes, it's Isis-STYLE flag, black with white print, anyone can see that.

Ok, so I don't know you but you and Dolev think you know me? Lmao. Your insults are all you have left. Bye.

[lego 44,165]

Background

Israeli Government Responds to High Court Ruling

06/10/2014 categories: Anti-Infiltration Law, Holot Detention Facility

On September 22, the High Court of Justice voided the 4th amendment to the Anti-Infiltration Law (read a partial summary of the ruling in English). A year ago, the Knesset passed the 4th amendment to the Anti-Infiltration Law that mandated a one-year detention period in prison for those who entered Israel and also established the open-air Holot detention facility for asylum-seekers who were already in Israel. Asylum-seekers had to participate in three daily roll calls and sleep in the facility. The detainees were forbidden from working. Punishments for violations of the detention regulations were determined by Ministry of Interior clerks who are not jurists.

The detention in Holot was open-ended, asylum-seekers could only be released if they succumb to Ministry of Interior pressure and “agree†to leave to their country of origin. Detainees could also be freed if they gained refugee status in Israel, but since Israel’s asylum system is extremely unfair, only 0.15% of asylum applications received a positive answer on average per year. In addition, the law mandated that asylum-seekers who crossed the border into Israel after the law came into effect would be imprisoned for a year in Saharonim prison. Both Saharonim and Holot are located near the border with Egypt, far from any population centers. Over 2,000 asylum-seekers were detained under the law.

Once the law came into effect, the Hotline along with fellow human rights organizations filed a petition to the High Court demanding that the law be voided. On September 22, the High Court justices ruled seven to two that the Holot detention facility will be closed in three months, and until it is shut down, those detained within it will have to take part in two daily roll-calls instead of three. In addition. the ruling abrogated the article in the law that mandated a one-year detention in Saharonim prison for asylum-seekers who’ve arrived in Israel since the law came into effect in December 2013.

Despite the ruling, the Ministry of Interior continued to issue summons for detention in Holot to asylum-seekers who went to the Ministry of Interior to renew their temporary residency permit. We appealed to the Ministry of Interior and asked them to stop issuing the summons and following a report in Haaretz, the Ministry of Interior declared on September 29 that they will stop issuing summons to Holot. Despite this statement, the Ministry of Interior continued to issue summons. When Haaretz reported on that again, the Ministry of Interior promised that they will void the summons already given to asylum-seekers after the ruling. Despite this, five asylum-seekers who were released from detention in Saharonim immigration prison were not released and instead were transferred to Holot – again ignoring the High Court ruling.

At the same time, Israeli politicians launched an attack on the High Court, calling to curtail its powers passing a law that would explicitly exclude asylum-seekers from the applicability of Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty and to alter the selection of judges so that the politicians in the Knesset will have a greater influence over their selection. In addition, the government is preparing a law that will allow the State to maintain the policy of detaining asylum-seekers in the middle of the Negev desert for shorter periods of time.

In addition, the Israeli government is pushing to include a 30% tax on salaries of asylum-seekers that will have to be paid by the employers of asylum-seekers. This tax in 10% higher than the one levied on employers of migrant workers. The purpose of the measure, which the government wants to put into effect in January 2015, is to discourage Israelis from employing asylum-seekers, which will make it harder for them to find work in Israel and will make their lives more difficult.

http://hotline.org.il/en/israeli-government-responds-to-high-court-ruling/

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

They are asylum seekers.

So you are justifying the racist slogans? Keeping them in the camps? Cursing Jewish women who are with black immigrants? That rally is disgusting.

Yes, it's Isis-STYLE flag, black with white print, anyone can see that.

Ok, so I don't know you but you and Dolev think you know me? Lmao. Your insults are all you have left. Bye.

You will never stop putting words into my mouth, huh? I have never said I support these people. And I don't see many Israelis in the video. They are like 50 people. 50 people against 9 million. lol.

 

None of what i have said is based on your character. I know that you hate Israel, Zionists, and I know these from your posts.

[Dolev 867]

Israeli activists wave #ISIL-like flags in protest of immigrant detention policy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVyCfJ5cOOA

With ISIS-style flags, chants of "ni**ers go home!" by Israelis at anti-African rally

Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants - http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/blackmails-palestinian-informants#sthash.llXN13SX.dpuf

Reservists from elite IDF intel unit refuse to serve over Palestinian 'persecution'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.615498

Any Palestinian is exposed to monitoring by the Israeli Big Brother’

Testimonies from people who worked in the Israeli Intelligence Corps tell of a system where there were no boundaries

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/12/israeli-intelligence-unit-testimonies

None of them are Israeli citizens. They are either illegal immigrants looking for a job or Palestinians. And it's me whose diversing the topic... :rip:

[UC PiXELVISION 353]

Now that I've got some time to reply...

 

 

No, you overestimate her. She's not 'the Second Coming'', she never showed great knowledge of world politics, especially in the Middle East.

How is that racist? I said MOST of the Americans are UNINFORMED OR(AND) BRAINWASHED when it comes to Palestine and Israel. They are either uninformed or brainwashed, or both. Their source is mostly FOX(FAUX) NEWS and Sean Hannity, and their government is Israel's biggest ally so...it's the truth. There is nothing racist about it, I didn't say they're dumb, those are your own words and you shouldn't lie.

And look, I'll back this up

And about being a teen, sorry but when you grow up a bit after some 15, 20 years and look back at what you did or believed as a child or a teen, you'll most likely laugh. I didn't say I'm smarter, but I'm not that naive as I was when I was a teen, and as my friends were. I see the same in you.

There is nothing offensive about it. That is life, with years of life experience and thirst for knowledge your views will expand and you'll get more wiser, not everyone(!), but just in general. You won't just repeat what your parents are telling you or what you see on tv, you'll learn how to seek knowledge by yourself and have your own mind. Again, I'm talking in general.

 

 

 And you haven't met a Jew who is pro Palestine and a peace activist?

 

Try to look for Norman Finkelstein, Elizabeth Tsurkov, Miko Peled, David Sheen, Noam Chomsky, Stanley Cohen, organization Jews for Peace etc. I'm sure you could meet many of them face to face, maybe you can convince them to become anti Palestine. lol

 

 

And no, Gaga is not stupid. But ignorant of the subject, yes. She doesn't know everything. And she didn't say she supports your government actions in Gaza.

 

 

 

 

I said Zionists, not Jewish people, but nice try. Zionism is not Judaism. And that is something what many of you are proud of, how many Hollywood stars have Jewish roots and how many support Israel, it's all in Israeli news sites. It has nothing to do with antisemitism.

 

Every little flaw? Your country doesn't have little flaws, it's an apartheid state which is constantly expanding, killing innocent people(and children), harassing and imprisoning innocent people(even children), keeping people on their own land under siege, denying them basic human rights, bombing their schools and homes to the ground and refusing to pay for the damage, the list goes on...

What else I have in my life is none of your damn business. I chose what to write here and I chose what to keep out of this site, and your petty insults are just showing lack of arguments on the subject.

And your last sentence is borderline Islamophobic, since you believe that everyone who is criticizing your country must be a Muslim. And while ago you blamed the whole religion for 9/11. Bravo. 

Lego, idk if you know this, but I SERIOUSLY admire you.

[brizoda 4,177]

please read Haaretz

 

bravo Sweden

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Zionists are the source of evil in this world!!!! They need to be destroyed!!!!!

I am a proud Zionist. This post is disgusting.

please read Haaretz

 

bravo Sweden

Haaretz is an extremist and an anti-zionist paper. Why would people read it?

[lego 44,165]

Lego, idk if you know this, but I SERIOUSLY admire you.

Aww thanks bb! I appreciate the support. You are very kind:)

[brizoda 4,177]

I am a proud Zionist. This post is disgusting.

Haaretz is an extremist and an anti-zionist paper. Why would people read it?

Haaretz is a left wing journal not anti-zionist

and they're against Likud and right wing policies

but this is not a crime

[brizoda 4,177]

The City Council of Lille froze the French municipality’s twinning agreement with Safed to press the Israeli government to end its conflict with the Palestinians.

The council voted Monday on what was described as a “temporary freeze†on twinning with the northern Israeli city, the Le Figaro daily reported.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.619969

[River 127,559]

The situation with the immigrants from Sudan is a tough subject.

first of all they are mixed between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

 

Now, this is causing a problem in south Tel-Aviv were many poor citizens lives there and they can't live together since there are crimes like stealing, raping woman, and sometimes murder that comes from the immigrants.

 

The blame is of course on - the right government, it happened when they were in the government, because they let this situation to happen for a long time, and now it became too messy for everyone.

 

Those protesters are led by an extreme right, orthodox party, that using the pain of the citizen to bring hate toward the immigrants, without giving any logic, human-right solution.

 

To lock them in jail-like-ghetto-like place and takes all their rights, it's ILLEGAL! no matter how the situation is impossible.

 

And trust me, my dear Israelis, leave the religion, the Zionism, and the obsession with fear that everybody hates you and Israel is the only place for the Jewish.. it's totally bull**** and a way of the government to **** your minds, since I left Israel my life is just perfect..

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

And trust me, my dear Israelis, leave the religion, the Zionism, and the obsession with fear that everybody hates you and Israel is the only place for the Jewish.. it's totally bull**** and a way of the government to **** your minds, since I left Israel my life is just perfect..

You see.. A lot of people here hates Israel and Jews.. and Israel is the most safe place for Jewish people to live in... In Europe jews get a lot of hate, and that's a fact.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

You see.. A lot of people here hates Israel and Jews.. and Israel is the most safe place for Jewish people to live in... In Europe jews get a lot of hate, and that's a fact.

Actually, there is a very large population of Jewish people in the United Stated. New York, and Brooklyn in particular comes to mind. I can't say they don't face any hate since I am not Jewish, but they certainly don't need the be protected by the military or an Iron Dome anti missile system everyday they go to work or shop or whatever normal people do.