Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 But ARTPOP only has Dope and Gypsy (Everything else is s-x, fame and fashion). I agree with some points but not with this... Aura is a deep song, cause it reflects one's fear to be the person that you are behind the curtain, Venus as gags said is about looking for love at different places (for me very meaningful), G.U.Y and it's gender-bending, being his girl in relationship without the fear of not having her own word to say, j and d is about the importance of family, dwyw about keeping your dignity, ARTPOP is a lyrical masterpiece about being able to live with the insecure part of yourself in harmony, Swine is about all the people that hurt you in the past, MJH is an escape if you no longer can bear being yourself... The album is full of deep meanings, some of her deepest, you just need to dig into to... It's not serious as BTW but it doesn't mean it's not there... For me ARTPOP has much deeper meaning than BTW... But again, it's also individual :hug: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure Adrenaline 1,518 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 it's all about to let the light in and score 125152141124215x more #1s. Prizms It's much more fun to have hizophrenia... u never get lonely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 229 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You can't call something generic as pretentious this. ARTPOP is a masterpiece and PRISM is geenric cachy pop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I'm sorry but how can you say that ARTPOP is not deep enough??? Really think about Aura, Venus, G.U.Y, Dwyw, ARTPOP, Swine, MJH, Dope, Gypsy, even Applause... Some of her deepest songs ever! How can you not understand all the deep messages in this album??? Because it's not written in a serious way, it doesn't mean that it's not there... Not to start a war here, but I really think that ARTPOP is much better than Prism in every single way... I really don't wanna argue over albums, everyone has some preferences but in terms of quality, it's undenyable that Gaga is far ahead of Katy... Aura is a (cool) metaphor for the very common theme of identity. It's a really great idea, but not deep. Venus...isn't...deep.... Lol it's probably one of the more shallow songs xD GUY? Same as aura--really cool concept ruined by some shallow, senseless lyrics (and it's not deep?) DWYW I'll give you, it's great Swine IS deep, the idea/concept behind it anyway. But it's ruined by some of her most embarrassing lyrics ever (wiggle, jiggle). MJH I will never accept as deep; it's a sog about weed lmfao it's a son about her getting high and adopting a new persona? Maybe personal I suppose...but not deep Dope and gypsy, absolutely, they are easily the most (and few) personal songs on the album. Applause is so preachy and self-absorbed and sort of off putting. Like, it's catchy and meaningful to her maybe, but isn't it a little silly? Idk I'm not starting a war either, we are free to have our opinions, but I think prism is muh more personal to katy and relateable to her listeners than ARTPOP is personal and relateable. To me, AP tried too hard to be some artistic statement, and it lost a lot of personal meaning and depth trying to be so artistic, whereas Katy was just direct and honest and succeeded because anyone can relate to those songs. Just two different approaches I suppose! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 229 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, for me ARTPOP is the best album that I ever heard and I couldn´t even finish listening Prism, cause it´s just so bad... Really, comparing Gaga´s talent, creativity and her musical innovations to an "artist" that struggles to hit every single note and recycles the same song for 5 years... THANKS. THIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla 7,595 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I don't think either album is pretentious. They both have positive concepts, and people often like to call something "pretentious" when it's filled with confidence and self awareness. There is a lot of art out there that IS pretentious, but I think PRISM and ARTPOP are just two albums that were made with genuine feelings from both artists.To be honest, I didn't like Prism. Dark Horse slays me, but the rest just kinda mixed together and didn't stand out. But it's clear that album meant something to Katy and was about a concept very near and dear to her, just like ARTPOP means something to Gaga and is about something very near and dear to her. I think both albums are partially about self awareness, which is often confused as pretentiousness.And of course any time an artist attaches a message to something people yell "How pretentious!" because apparently if you're a pop star you can't try to promote positive ideas.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Aura is a (cool) metaphor for the very common theme of identity. It's a really great idea, but not deep. Venus...isn't...deep.... Lol it's probably one of the more shallow songs xD GUY? Same as aura--really cool concept ruined by some shallow, senseless lyrics (and it's not deep?) DWYW I'll give you, it's great Swine IS deep, the idea/concept behind it anyway. But it's ruined by some of her most embarrassing lyrics ever (wiggle, jiggle). MJH I will never accept as deep; it's a sog about weed lmfao it's a son about her getting high and adopting a new persona? Maybe personal I suppose...but not deep Dope and gypsy, absolutely, they are easily the most (and few) personal songs on the album. Applause is so preachy and self-absorbed and sort of off putting. Like, it's catchy and meaningful to her maybe, but isn't it a little silly? Idk I'm not starting a war either, we are free to have our opinions, but I think prism is muh more personal to katy and relateable to her listeners than ARTPOP is personal and relateable. To me, AP tried too hard to be some artistic statement, and it lost a lot of personal meaning and depth trying to be so artistic, whereas Katy was just direct and honest and succeeded because anyone can relate to those songs. Just two different approaches I suppose! Well, Venus according to Gaga is about looking for love at different places, deep for me... What's wrong with wiggle and giggle??? it's Gaga MJH is about escaping from who you are when you can't take it anymore, it's not about weed for me (unfortunatelly, i never had the opportunity to try it ) Applause is personal for her I guess, but I can relate to that... I feel like I can relate to most of those songs pretty well, cause I love complicated metaphors and hidden meanings for example, I see ARTPOP as a song about finding a harmony between the insecure part of yourself and the world around you... You can always find something that fits to your personality, even if it's only one line of a song... That's the beauty of ARTPOP that everyone can see their own metaphors in it.... But only if you don't throw it away as blend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, Venus according to Gaga is about looking for love at different places, deep for me... What's wrong with wiggle and giggle??? it's Gaga MJH is about escaping from who you are when you can't take it anymore, it's not about weed for me (unfortunatelly, i never had the opportunity to try it ) Applause is personal for her I guess, but I can relate to that... I feel like I can relate to most of those songs pretty well, cause I love complicated metaphors and hidden meanings for example, I see ARTPOP as a song about finding a harmony between the insecure part of yourself and the world around you... You can always find something that fits to your personality, even if it's only one line of a song... That's the beauty of ARTPOP that everyone can see their own metaphors in it.... But only if you don't throw it away as blend... I see all your points and understand them! For me, Katy just delivered a more emotionally raw, honest and directly heartfelt album than gaga hands out, but I don't know if that's what gaga was trying to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 And of course any time an artist attaches a message to something people yell "How pretentious!" because apparently if you're a pop star you can't try to promote positive ideas.... This. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Monster 846 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I see all your points and understand them! For me, Katy just delivered a more emotionally raw, honest and directly heartfelt album than gaga hands out, but I don't know if that's what gaga was trying to do Well, BTW was all serious, so I guess she needed to do something lighter this time :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimisaMonster 31,073 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I honestly think you're just looking too much into it. I know there are interviews where's talked about writing songs, but I'm not gonna go looking for them, ya know? Maybe it's like gaga talks too much and katy talks too little haha :shrug: Stream my new single, 💜"Heartbeat"💜, on Spotify! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I agree with some points but not with this... Aura is a deep song, cause it reflects one's fear to be the person that you are behind the curtain, Venus as gags said is about looking for love at different places (for me very meaningful), G.U.Y and it's gender-bending, being his girl in relationship without the fear of not having her own word to say, j and d is about the importance of family, dwyw about keeping your dignity, ARTPOP is a lyrical masterpiece about being able to live with the insecure part of yourself in harmony, Swine is about all the people that hurt you in the past, MJH is an escape if you no longer can bear being yourself... The album is full of deep meanings, some of her deepest, you just need to dig into to... It's not serious as BTW but it doesn't mean it's not there... For me ARTPOP has much deeper meaning than BTW... But again, it's also individual You know what, you are right. Just because you write about s-x doesn't mean it's not meaningful. Venus is for me one of the best songs ever written with an excellent interpretation of the 2 concepts of the word, coming together, Venus the planet and Venus the Goddess of Love. I think both are great pop albums, there are some monsters who label Katy's music as generic, just because they don't like her enough to know the process there is behing these catchy tunes she makes, the same way some people that don't like Gaga enough would also think she is generic just because she makes pop music. That is nothing but double standars. I really hope you don't fall for that and give PRISM a listen with a more open attitude, I don't want you to like the whole album, because I don't even do myself, but you'll probably find some interesting tracks like I did. this. ARTPOP is a masterpiece and PRISM is geenric cachy pop NOT really. What happens I have explained in the last paragraph, you don't like Katy enought to know the process behind her music and what means to her, you probably haven't even heard the album with ears, mind and heart open. A lot of people do that with Gaga, just because she makes pop records they think she is generic, there are people who immediately label her as telentless because those are the double-standars in pop music but they don't really know what Gaga is capable of and her talents because they don't take the time to find out more as they are not interested just like you with Katy. If you people don't like Katy's voice that's fine. You can say she is not vocally-talented but that gives no right to say she isn't jus as passionate for wwhat shw does as Gaga because she works just as hard and this time around, I believe, even HARDER to earn the pennies in her pocket! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMTT 160 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You know what, you are right. Just because you write about s-x doesn't mean it's not meaningful. Venus is for me one of the best songs ever written with an excellent interpretation of the 2 concepts of the word, coming together, Venus the planet and Venus the Goddess of Love. I think both are great pop albums, there are some monsters who label Katy's music as generic, just because they don't like her enough to know the process there is behing these catchy tunes she makes, the same way some people that don't like Gaga enough would also think she is generic just because she makes pop music. That is nothing but double standars. I really hope you don't fall for that and give PRISM a listen with a more open attitude, I don't want you to like the whole album, because I don't even do myself, but you'll probably find some interesting tracks like I did. NOT really. What happens I have explained in the last paragraph, you don't like Katy enought to know the process behind her music and what means to her, you probably haven't even heard the album with ears, mind and heart open. A lot of people do that with Gaga, just because she makes pop records they think she is generic, there are people who immediately label her as telentless because those are the double-standars in pop music but they don't really know what Gaga is capable of and her talents because they don't take the time to find out more as they are not interested just like you with Katy. If you people don't like Katy's voice that's fine. You can say she is not vocally-talented but that gives no right to say she isn't jus as passionate for wwhat shw does as Gaga because she works just as hard and this time around, I believe, even HARDER to earn the pennies in her pocket! :legend: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenniferella 2,774 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 You know what, you are right. Just because you write about s-x doesn't mean it's not meaningful. Venus is for me one of the best songs ever written with an excellent interpretation of the 2 concepts of the word, coming together, Venus the planet and Venus the Goddess of Love. I think both are great pop albums, there are some monsters who label Katy's music as generic, just because they don't like her enough to know the process there is behing these catchy tunes she makes, the same way some people that don't like Gaga enough would also think she is generic just because she makes pop music. That is nothing but double standars. I really hope you don't fall for that and give PRISM a listen with a more open attitude, I don't want you to like the whole album, because I don't even do myself, but you'll probably find some interesting tracks like I did. NOT really. What happens I have explained in the last paragraph, you don't like Katy enought to know the process behind her music and what means to her, you probably haven't even heard the album with ears, mind and heart open. A lot of people do that with Gaga, just because she makes pop records they think she is generic, there are people who immediately label her as telentless because those are the double-standars in pop music but they don't really know what Gaga is capable of and her talents because they don't take the time to find out more as they are not interested just like you with Katy. If you people don't like Katy's voice that's fine. You can say she is not vocally-talented but that gives no right to say she isn't jus as passionate for wwhat shw does as Gaga because she works just as hard and this time around, I believe, even HARDER to earn the pennies in her pocket! THANK YOU "I have been writing LG5 since I was 13" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychedelic 1,098 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 THANK YOU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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