Melech 9,900 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 "An 87-year-old German woman dubbed the “Nazi grandma” was sentenced to 10 months in jail for Holocaust denial.Ursula Haverbeck, of the western German town of Vlotho, told a court in Hamburg last week that the Nazis’ Auschwitz death camp is “only a belief.” Haverbeck was charged in April with Holocaust denial after saying on television that the Holocaust was “the biggest and most sustainable lie in history.” She made the statement to reporters outside the trial of former SS guard Oskar Groning, who was found guilty for his role in the murder of 300,000 at Auschwitz. Haverbeck challenged the court to prove that Auschwitz was a death camp, the German Deutche Welle reported. She was sentenced on November 12. Magistrate Bjoern Joensson, who issued the sentence, said it was “deplorable that this woman, who is still so active given her age, uses her energy to spread such hair-raising nonsense.” “She is a lost cause,” he added, according to Deutche Welle. It is illegal in Germany to deny or downplay the Holocaust." read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.686456?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=tumblr Deserved. She is an idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonse 6,525 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I dont know why I find this funny no more parties in LA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 To be fair I think denying the holocaust is not something that should be punishable. But that's just my 2 cents. I hate the idea that a country will decide for us people on what we are allowed to debate on or not. "These are the facts and you try to discuss it and you'll get punished for not agreeing with us". That said, the woman is indeed a lost cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,676 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I find it scary that a belief can be made illegal and you can be jailed for it.... Not defending what she said but wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDi 1,495 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 an old lady jailed for a harmless belief? Germany is one fat hipster weirdo these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorno Giovanna 3,178 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 who cares what she thinks, move on with ya life and let her be ignorant, that's her business not everybody elses このジョルノジョヴァンナ夢がある Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 29 minutes ago, MonsterMum said: To be fair I think denying the holocaust is not something that should be punishable. But that's just my 2 cents. I hate the idea that a country will decide for us people on what we are allowed to debate on or not. "These are the facts and you try to discuss it and you'll get punished for not agreeing with us". That said, the woman is indeed a lost cause. Especially Germany has a reason to do so. It was the country that slaughtered millions of Jews and hundreds of thousands Romani and Slavs. 20 minutes ago, JDi said: an old lady jailed for a harmless belief? Germany is one fat hipster weirdo these days. it's not harmless thought. I hurts people. Seriously if my grandma heard what that woman said, she would break our in tears. 30 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: I find it scary that a belief can be made illegal and you can be jailed for it.... Not defending what she said but wow. it's not a belief, it's hate speech. She often speaks for the Nazi party in Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,676 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just now, Simon said: it's not a belief, it's hate speech. She often speaks for the Nazi party in Germany. It is a belief. Sorry, I'm American so I'm inclined to not support the incarceration of people for their ideas no matter how much I disagree with them. Very 1984. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: It is a belief. Sorry, I'm American so I'm inclined to not support the incarceration of people for their ideas no matter how much I disagree with them. Very 1984. But America is not Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,676 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just now, Simon said: But America is not Germany. Doesn't matter. I don't think people should be put in jail for speech, even if it's deemed hateful. I mean, seriously? 10 months to an 87 year old woman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juvi 1,639 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 5 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: It is a belief. Sorry, I'm American so I'm inclined to not support the incarceration of people for their ideas no matter how much I disagree with them. Very 1984. cute, i just finished reading 1984 and the only country that comes closest to that in the book is america, in my opinion. and deny what HAPPEND and just because you don't like it to say it's a believe, that is STUPIDITY in it's purest form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,676 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Just now, Juvi said: cute, i just finished reading 1984 and the only country that comes closest to that in the book is america, in my opinion. Yeah, I read it as well and true tbh! At least we don't do this though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melech 9,900 Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Doesn't matter. I don't think people should be put in jail for speech, even if it's deemed hateful. I mean, seriously? 10 months to an 87 year old woman? racist belong in jail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,676 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 3 minutes ago, Simon said: racist belong in jail. ..... ok. This crosses a dangerous line imo. What's next? What if religious beliefs are deemed hateful? Are they gonna start jailing pastors too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth 90 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 10 months for such a crime?? I have no words for that and I would never call it justice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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