ReRe 1,957 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 However, if there's someone to blame for the DWUW video not being released, it's Troy. There might be more people involved, but Troy was definitely partly responsible for the whole DWUW mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 You're right. Troy was her manager. A manager is responsible for ensuring that projects are planned and executed in time, and for developing a good promotional schedule. He didn't finance any video or performance. Exactly, videos AREN'T HIS JOB Scheduling for the videos or planning events around the time of the video release, sure But making it? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester 6,305 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Putting on some weird clothes isn't the same factor of shock as a meat dress or blood on stage tho Millie Brown says hi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel 12,525 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Millie Brown says hi 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 However, if there's someone to blame for the DWUW video not being released, it's Troy. There might be more people involved, but Troy was definitely partly responsible for the whole DWUW mess. But you can't blame him when you don't know who barred it For all you know, it could have been Gaga refusing to release it or not even finishing filming because she didn't want it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Yes, people on this site STILL claim that Troy owns DWUW, as well as individuals on ATRL and gagadaily They claim the release was barred due to his ownership Basically Gaga can do no wrong to them Honestly though, the DWUW thing with Gaga's explanation is complete fabrication imo because she discussed and tweeted how Applause was weeks of work, and then later tweeted saying it was less than a week No matter which it is, she lied, and therefore, until the whole track record is revealed, I have no reason to believe that's the reasoning behind it's elimination from Vevo  Totally the first I've ever heard of this :megaflop:  And honestly no one knows the actual reason(though I still think R.Kelly was involved some how) and I can't even be bothered anymore, not even sure why people still care tbh Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Totally the first I've ever heard of this :megaflop: And honestly no one knows the actual reason(though I still think R.Kelly was involved some how) and I can't even be bothered anymore, not even sure why people still care tbh Someone ITT just blamed him :megaflop: I'd like the video to be her with no R. Kelly, but I know that's impossible Or at least to him be on another set while filming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe 1,957 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I honestly feel it might be the third It's very easy to tell the public something they'd want to hear, but the way Troy acted and has talked about it in interviews showcases that it may not have been an issue with it himself, but rather, an issue with Gaga and someone else The only reason Gaga never trash talked Troy or vice versa DIRECTLY, is that they both want to avoid further controversy and media bull**** towards the issue, as it was a very sensitive one. Gaga didn't fire Troy for nothing. If it was a small argument, it would've been resolved. But the fact that they split shows that there was a major issue, one being aggravated progressively over time, ever since her hip injury. There might be other people involved, but Troy was the main villain in this whole mess of an era TBVH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Someone ITT just blamed him :megaflop: I'd like the video to be her with no R. Kelly, but I know that's impossible Or at least to him be on another set while filming Oh I know people blame him, I just meant I'd never heard of the "rights ownership" argument before today. Â Or better still with Xtina, but neither is happening and I've made peace with it :emo: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 The only reason Gaga never trash talked Troy or vice versa DIRECTLY, is that they both want to avoid further controversy and media bull**** towards the issue, as it was a very sensitive one. Gaga didn't fire Troy for nothing. If it was a small argument, it would've been resolved. But the fact that they split shows that there was a major issue, one being aggravated progressively over time, ever since her hip injury. There might be other people involved, but Troy was the main villain in this whole mess of an era TBVH I don't think he's to really blame solely, it also was in part Gaga's fault too, and you have to admit that You'll never know what it was, but just know, it takes two to argue Oh I know people blame him, I just meant I'd never heard of the "rights ownership" argument before today. Or better still with Xtina, but neither is happening and I've made peace with it :emo: Well now you have I'm over ARTPOP as a whole and am waiting for the next two album cycles to go through before I can actually get into her again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe 1,957 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 But you can't blame him when you don't know who barred it For all you know, it could have been Gaga refusing to release it or not even finishing filming because she didn't want it Get that hit thread Well of course, as monsters, we're all sometimes prejudiced and love everything Gaga gives us. That's why we like the DWUW video 'leaks'. But Gaga probably wasn't self satisfied with her work. And we know Gaga is a perfectionist. She had planned a video for Venus, it was her fav song and she was very creative with the covers and performances, so she obviously had st cooking. But the single change at the eleventh hour was MESSED up. Even though I prefer DWUW as a single, but it must have been horrible for Gaga to plan performances and a video for DWUW within a week mind you, it was so messed up, that album covers had been printed with 'including singles Applause Nd Venus' already and many people were confused because of that single change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Get that hit thread Well of course, as monsters, we're all sometimes prejudiced and love everything Gaga gives us. That's why we like the DWUW video 'leaks'. But Gaga probably wasn't self satisfied with her work. And we know Gaga is a perfectionist. She had planned a video for Venus, it was her fav song and she was very creative with the covers and performances, so she obviously had st cooking. But the single change at the eleventh hour was MESSED up. Even though I prefer DWUW as a single, but it must have been horrible for Gaga to plan performances and a video for DWUW within a week mind you, it was so messed up, that album covers had been printed with 'including singles Applause Nd Venus' already and many people were confused because of that single change. Venus was written much later though She even said she wanted it to be the single which is why they switched it :emma: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReRe 1,957 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I don't think he's to really blame solely, it also was in part Gaga's fault too, and you have to admit that You'll never know what it was, but just know, it takes two to argue Well now you have I'm over ARTPOP as a whole and am waiting for the next two album cycles to go through before I can actually get into her again Gaga's fault was obeying Troy a d hyping us up just to disappoint us in the end. I believe she was extremely honest with us on LM. Com about the whole issue. She was mentally shaken because of the whole fiasco herself. She had so many dreams for this era, and it ended up turning into the biggest mess in her whole career :NOOO: I am extremely sad myself. It's my fav album. EVER. But it hurts to say that I want this era to end as soon as possible :( :emo: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascetic 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Gaga's fault was obeying Troy a d hyping us up just to disappoint us in the end. I believe she was extremely honest with us on LM. Com about the whole issue. She was mentally shaken because of the whole fiasco herself. She had so many dreams for this era, and it ended up turning into the biggest mess in her whole career :NOOO: I am extremely sad myself. It's my fav album. EVER. But it hurts to say that I want this era to end as soon as possible :( :emo: I can only objectively agree with the last part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon 457 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Since when do managers own material of an artist. :awkney: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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