RabbitHeart 793 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I believe the album, the artwork, the promo shots, and the artRave Launch Party all went the way Gaga wanted them. For me, it seems the music itself isn't what's not aligning with Gaga's original ideas for ARTPOP. I feel as though the issue lies with how she's been made to promote the album. She probably wanted a different song, most likely Venus, to serve as the lead single and a different song as the second single. But higher ups felt Applause and DWUW were more marketable and convinced her to go down that route. It would explain why she specifically told us making DWUW the single was her personal choice, then going on to cancel the video for the reasons she gave. I feel like someone, possibly Troy, convinced her to go the DWUW route and she saw it as reasonable. But when the debacle with not being given enough time to plan the video came up, she realized that the person who convinced her to make DWUW a single was really just in it for the money. I'm just speculating at this point, but I think it makes sense. So, to sum things up, the album itself as a body of work came out the way she wanted it. The way executives and higher ups are trying to promote and use the album to make money is what's frustrating her. (In my opinion) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I doubt she's unhappy with the album itself, but obviously firing her manager right around the album release caused some logistical issues for the era which she's still recovering from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loris 0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think it's not a 100% what she wanted. I remember the booklet design was changed in the last minute because she posted one picture on Instagram with a colorful background - and her bum picture - and we got a simpler one with white background. Also, I see the DWUW video project as a boycott. "If they wanna make this a single, fine; but I'm gonna get my crew on it and make a super scandalous video they won't have the guts to release & I'm gonna show them who's the real boss when it comes to my career". I'm glad you commented about her comment before singing Applause @ SXSW. I felt disappointed when Gaga sang it quite forcedly (she gave me the impression that if she had a choice she wouldn't sing it). I think it's a wonderful song that opened up this era in a flawless way. After listening to ARTPOP, I couldn't find any other song to start it better than Applause - unless it's unreleased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbev 411 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'll try and make a (rather basic) comment: Despite the lengthy blackout in 2013, I don't think Gaga was ready to come back mentally, physically, musically, etc. I think she was still upset about the injury and I think she was still in pain. I think that there was a lot of external pressure from whoever/whatever for her to return as soon as possible, and I think that meant compromising on a lot of things in terms of quality. I think there was some notion that she needed to release material in order to be able to keep going career-wise and I honestly don't think she's happy with the product. I think the "messiness" that a lot of us have been commenting on is really her trying to find her footing with the material. We've seen her embody so many personas, and while many attribute it back to her comment regarding being "all icons", I think she's really just trying to find a place where she can connect the material. I think she was shoved in a very unfortunate situation with material she wasn't happy with. Her comeback had such high expectations and I think she's been beating herself up because she feels she wasn't able to live up to the expectations. I think she's gained a lot of bitterness directed at those who previously supported her, then pushed her back in the spotlight when she wasn't ready. Well said. I feel like ARTPOP was rushed in the end. I always felt that GaGa should have taken as long as she needed for the album, so it could perfect. Unfortunately, this didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I believe the album, the artwork, the promo shots, and the artRave Launch Party all went the way Gaga wanted them. For me, it seems the music itself isn't what's not aligning with Gaga's original ideas for ARTPOP. I feel as though the issue lies with how she's been made to promote the album. She probably wanted a different song, most likely Venus, to serve as the lead single and a different song as the second single. But higher ups felt Applause and DWUW were more marketable and convinced her to go down that route. It would explain why she specifically told us making DWUW the single was her personal choice, then going on to cancel the video for the reasons she gave. I feel like someone, possibly Troy, convinced her to go the DWUW route and she saw it as reasonable. But when the debacle with not being given enough time to plan the video came up, she realized that the person who convinced her to make DWUW a single was really just in it for the money. I'm just speculating at this point, but I think it makes sense. So, to sum things up, the album itself as a body of work came out the way she wanted it. The way executives and higher ups are trying to promote and use the album to make money is what's frustrating her. (In my opinion) Wow, I never even thought about that. I bet that's exactly what happened too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 i do feel like what we havent heard is more ARTPOP than what we got. its so odd to think that all this talk of art culture and her influences, her risk taking, has led to songs like donatella, applause, Jewels N' Drugs, g.u.y, etc, greats songs but they arent particularly risky or gonna get her into "trouble" or challenge the status quote. i feel like the majority of what we got is a facade sweetness and looseness that seems forced. i mean "take my body and dont stop the party" "dont stop the party, lets keep it movin" "dont ukno my ass is famous'" i mean its so pandering and lame. or when i hear brooklyn nights for instance, its such a good song but theres literally no passion in it whatsoever. im tired of her trying to be all cutesy and bubbly in her songs because to be honest shes never really been that kinda girl. and if she was before, then shes evolved too much and grown too much to revert back to that. its funny cuz when ARTPOP wasnt doing as well as people pegged, fans suggested she scrap together a bunch of safe sure hits, and im just like is it possible ARTPOP hasnt done so well because its so safe? like when she made that comment about everything being tailored to radio, i knew there was trouble, because that literally contradicts everything shes been saying. ' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjawd 0 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 songs : yes era : no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedi 3 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 i do feel like what we havent heard is more ARTPOP than what we got. its so odd to think that all this talk of art culture and her influences, her risk taking, has led to songs like donatella, applause, Jewels N' Drugs, g.u.y, etc, greats songs but they arent particularly risky or gonna get her into "trouble" or challenge the status quote. i feel like the majority of what we got is a facade sweetness and looseness that seems forced. i mean "take my body and dont stop the party" "dont stop the party, lets keep it movin" "dont ukno my ass is famous'" i mean its so pandering and lame. or when i hear brooklyn nights for instance, its such a good song but theres literally no passion in it whatsoever. im tired of her trying to be all cutesy and bubbly in her songs because to be honest shes never really been that kinda girl. and if she was before, then shes evolved too much and grown too much to revert back to that. its funny cuz when ARTPOP wasnt doing as well as people pegged, fans suggested she scrap together a bunch of safe sure hits, and im just like is it possible ARTPOP hasnt done so well because its so safe? like when she made that comment about everything being tailored to radio, i knew there was trouble, because that literally contradicts everything shes been saying. ' MDNA and Marina and The Diamonds' Electra Heart (which I love so so so so so dearly) doing 'badly' restores my faith in originality (Electra Heart sold less than her first album even though it was more 'commercial'.. what drew people to her first album is its conceptual and sonic originality - somewhere between Pop and Indie - and integrity). Gaga was completely different to what was about 'pop'-wise with The Fame and The Fame Monster.. which is what got people so interested in her. I feel like whilst it's a great album, areas of ARTPOP are more contrived in a sense of going against criticisms of BTW.. to be more 'clean', and perhaps slightly hinders some tracks creatively, but others I feel are very much Gaga.. Though I discussed how Gaga gets too hung up on being 'Pop' here http://gagadaily.com/index.php?/statuses/user/24685-hedi/?status_id=297219 and that's my point ^ really. In answer to this thread though I think everyone here has hit it on the head.. the execution of the direction single wise etc.. was probably not her true vision, and I think Gaga definately believes in the album, but there has been a whole thread about how ARTPOP was a completely different album to begin with http://gagadaily.com/index.php?/topic/81112-final-say-was-the-2012-album-ARTPOP/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth 450 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think she wanted ARTPOP but I think there was probably a lot of instances in which people tried to control her and made her shape ARTPOP into something that wasn't her initial idea/plan. I think she's now heading in the direction that she wanted to pursue from the off. That's not to say absolutely everything in the early ARTPOP era wasn't what she wanted but we know that there was big issues at that time. One thing that's always stood out to me is all the times she really made sure we all knew that she wasn't choosing the singles and that it was the label. It just always seemed 'funny' that someone who is seemingly in control of their own career wasn't choosing their own singles and that she was so open about it. Idk if it relates to any of the issues with people who were close to her team but I always found it kinda odd. No, we do know this almost for a fact. When she confirmed the cancelled DWUW video she said she was working very hard to show us the "true meaning of ARTPOP". I fully agree with you, Batmans Hooker In fact, I have been thinking this from the start, especially when she now admitted that her (probably) best music is not released because she doesn't want the "system" to ruin it. It's kind of sad, though. I hope that, if she releases Act II, she will be more free to release exactly what she wants. But until she confirms any of these theories, we'll always be in the dark about it. And that's sometimes what I dislike about being a Gaga fan. You just.. yeah, sometimes you just don't know and you can ask yourself the question if any of Gaga's previously released works were truly her vision. I found the bolded part really interesting. It reminds me of when she said that she may release two versions of ARTPOP one more 'commercial' and the other more 'experimental'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I found the bolded part really interesting. It reminds me of when she said that she may release two versions of ARTPOP one more 'commercial' and the other more 'experimental'. Yes I was so surprised when she said in that interview when DWUW was gonna be released that she "abandoned that idea" because "I didn't even know what ARTPOP meant back then". I always wondered if some of the experimental tracks are actually on this first act, then or if she just scrapped the experimental record. But then that was before she fired her manager and all so maybe the Act II we are now gonna get is not gonna be the same she was gonna release then :eek: But then again, maybe she won't release it all, the interview was so confusing. Omg, my brains are overloaded right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 I found the bolded part really interesting. It reminds me of when she said that she may release two versions of ARTPOP one more 'commercial' and the other more 'experimental'. I forgot about that. It's things like that, and contradicting quotes that Gaga made during the creation process that make me wonder if the ARTPOP that was released was the same ARTPOP she wanted to be released. Back when they were working on the album, Gaga (and her producers) would talk about how they'd work in the studio and create something raw and music that wasn't made to be universally loved, and then we'd see another contradictory quote about every song being made to be a hit. It's worrisome, but I think that part of what caused the Great Blackout of 2014 was Gaga finally standing up to the executives who treat her like a product rather than a creator. She's looking for (and gained) some independence. Fully agree with the person in this thread who said that what she's doing now (allowing live performance art such as Millie Brown to mix with Gaga's performances) is the kind of thing Gaga wanted to do with this era all along, but was told to be pretty and normal looking and fun. The original plan for the VMA performance is also along the same lines. It's a shame, if Gaga's ideas really were squandered in favour of marketability. I would have liked to have seen her full vision come to fruition from day one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laceface 2,964 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think it is now her baby, but wasn't her original idea for the decay of the star? People have tried to mutilate her ideas and creativity and wrongly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChvVolk 2,303 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I too think he vision was shaped into something else by her label Remember that interview where she said they kept bugging her for a ballad so she wrote Dope as a way to get back at them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 105,651 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I believe the album, the artwork, the promo shots, and the artRave Launch Party all went the way Gaga wanted them. For me, it seems the music itself isn't what's not aligning with Gaga's original ideas for ARTPOP. I feel as though the issue lies with how she's been made to promote the album. She probably wanted a different song, most likely Venus, to serve as the lead single and a different song as the second single. But higher ups felt Applause and DWUW were more marketable and convinced her to go down that route. It would explain why she specifically told us making DWUW the single was her personal choice, then going on to cancel the video for the reasons she gave. I feel like someone, possibly Troy, convinced her to go the DWUW route and she saw it as reasonable. But when the debacle with not being given enough time to plan the video came up, she realized that the person who convinced her to make DWUW a single was really just in it for the money. I'm just speculating at this point, but I think it makes sense. So, to sum things up, the album itself as a body of work came out the way she wanted it. The way executives and higher ups are trying to promote and use the album to make money is what's frustrating her. (In my opinion) This. This is why she's been saying the REAL era is about to begin. From now on it will be 100% her vision. Single choices, VMA performance, and other promo strategies were blocking her vision in 2013 and I believe this is why she fired Troy Carter. She couldn't take it anymore. The VMA performance was supposed to be different, Venus was supposed to be the second single (although I personally think DWUW was the right choice), and other stuff we might not even know about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Trump 3,508 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 who cares, when gags controls things she releases things i dont like... when someone else controls her, i like waht she releases... Ma ma pa pa pa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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