Chic 20,830 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's cute that you think israel allows Palestinians to hold music concerts. They are not alllowed the cross their villiages without being subject to a checkpoint, they sure as hell don't allow concerts to take place within Palestine. They couldn't afford it regardless because of the economic sanctions placed on them. Do you think Gaga just not doing a concert there conveys any message? I'm sure lots of artists don't go there, it's done nothing. Going to Israel would mean at least some fans get to go. Do you really think the Palestinians aren't used to not going to concerts at this point? At this point in time it's an unfortunate fact of life and I hope difference can be made, but Gaga not going there isn't the source of that change Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Are you even aware of their situation? Really? which state doesn't allow you to travel freely or makes you wait in line for hours to cross a checkpoint? Ever seen this? I'm implying that there's always going to be injustice. I understand the difficulties in that Israel/Palestine area, and yes, it is very bad. However, by saying that Gaga shouldn't go there means that nobody should go there. Making it an isolated part of the world. Gaga can't fix anything, but she can entertain people for one night. Even if that means some fans won't be able to attend. In comparison to the US, I was stating that there's areas of the country that are beginning to push laws to discriminate against LGBT people. Take Arizona for example. Is it the same level to the likes of Israel/Palestine? No, but it proves that there's still injustice. I was just making a statement that these things can't be avoided. By going there doesn't mean that Gaga approves of such things. Gaga could go to Russia and perform for the fans yet not approve of their laws. By not going, Gaga would do more harm by not performing for the fans. If she did go, I doubt there would be mass riots in the streets. I don't know. That's my opinion at least. Also I was born in South Korea. If it fair to the North Koreans being held hostage to not see Gaga if she would perform in Seoul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Do you think Gaga just not doing a concert there conveys any message? I'm sure lots of artists don't go there, it's done nothing. Going to Israel would mean at least some fans get to go. Do you really think the Palestinians aren't used to not going to concerts at this point? At this point in time it's an unfortunate fact of life and I hope difference can be made, but Gaga not going there isn't the source of that change It does convey a message. It gives the cause publicity which is what it needs. By attending she will be used as a propaganda tool by israel to show they are a normal country and that high profile celebrities who care highly about human rights are willing to attend. Stephen hawking boycotted israel last year and that caused huge support worldwide for him and huge attention to the cause. Gaga would be a similar situation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I mean, people still get to see her? If their culture favors the wealthy over the poor, we can't do anything about that. But we also can't be like "oh you privileged people shouldn't get the chance to see Gaga because the less-privileged can't." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 I mean, people still get to see her? If their culture favors the wealthy over the poor, we can't do anything about that. But we also can't be like "oh you privileged people shouldn't get the chance to see Gaga because the less-privileged can't." This is not about wealthy and poor. This is about racial discrimination and apartheid , i wish people would see the difference and understand the situation a bit better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 This is not about wealthy and poor. This is about racial discrimination and apartheid , i wish people would see the difference and understand the situation a bit better. My reply was to your statement that "the fans she will be performing for are those that are the privileged in an apartheid state (Israeli Jews)". You labeled them as "privileged" which infers being rich which infers that those who can't see her are poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Angel 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Sorry, bur every state has a right to protect its borders, ecpecially when neighbours are of such an unfriendly spirit. This is showbussiness, not politics. She can easily do a concert in neihgbouring countries as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 My reply was to your statement that "the fans she will be performing for are those that are the privileged in an apartheid state (Israeli Jews)". You labeled them as "privileged" which infers being rich which infers that those who can't see her are poor. Privileged in the sense that they have many more rights than the Palestinian people. Privileged in the sense that they can move freely without being subject to checkpoints or segregated roads. Priviliged in the sense that the israelis are subject to one law and the Palestinians are subject to military law. Among that another privilege they have is one of economic stability, which has been taken from the Palestinians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I mean, people still get to see her? If their culture favors the wealthy over the poor, we can't do anything about that. But we also can't be like "oh you privileged people shouldn't get the chance to see Gaga because the less-privileged can't." This is the problem: And not only do they have to give up their land, shoving their population into small parts, the next problem: The non-Jewish population living in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel in 1967 suffers not only blatant discrimination but is subject to brutal military occupation. Israel allows settlement of its own Jewish nationals in these areas and thus violates the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. Jews settling in the occupied areas enjoy full civil and political rights as Israeli citizens. Their non- Jewish neighbors who are the overwhelming majority of the population of these areas, are denied many civil and all political rights. Their rights of movement, travel, assembly, expression, the right to obtain a car licence, to start a business and to buy industrial equipment, the right to educate children, all of these basic rights are subject to arbitrary rulings by military authorities and cannot be challenged in court. Only Jewish inhabitants of the occupied territories are permitted to carry firearms, which they use to terrorize defenceless non- Jews. Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm This Scholarly Library of Facts about Domestic & Worldwide Zionist Criminality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley 5,006 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagaisitalian 3,573 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Privileged in the sense that they have many more rights than the Palestinian people. Privileged in the sense that they can move freely without being subject to checkpoints or segregated roads. Priviliged in the sense that the israelis are subject to one law and the Palestinians are subject to military law. Among that another privilege they have is one of economic stability, which has been taken from the Palestinians. Privileged in the sense that they have more money than the discriminated population. Privileged in the sense that they have more money That they have more money They have more money More money Money This is the problem: And not only do they have to give up their land, shoving their population into small parts, the next problem: The non-Jewish population living in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel in 1967 suffers not only blatant discrimination but is subject to brutal military occupation. Israel allows settlement of its own Jewish nationals in these areas and thus violates the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949. Jews settling in the occupied areas enjoy full civil and political rights as Israeli citizens. Their non- Jewish neighbors who are the overwhelming majority of the population of these areas, are denied many civil and all political rights. Their rights of movement, travel, assembly, expression, the right to obtain a car licence, to start a business and to buy industrial equipment, the right to educate children, all of these basic rights are subject to arbitrary rulings by military authorities and cannot be challenged in court. Only Jewish inhabitants of the occupied territories are permitted to carry firearms, which they use to terrorize defenceless non- Jews. Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/index.htm This Scholarly Library of Facts about Domestic & Worldwide Zionist Criminality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Privileged in the sense that they have more money than the discriminated population. Privileged in the sense that they have more money That they have more money They have more money More money Money I honestly don't see how one could laugh at this. You choose to ignore everything else and focus on one point, ok. Maybe they would have money if they were allowed to have business's, if they were allowed to prosper, but they are being kept under military control. Money isn't even the point here, it's the countless human rights violations. But alas you will laugh at all this and just move on with your life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpggal 332 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I definitely think not going sends a bigger message than going and giving a speech, especially since the date is already planned and she'd have to give a public explanation of why it was canceled. A speech during the performance reaches, what, the people in attendance and the couple of people that wind up watching the youtube video of the speech? Whereas a cancellation would likely be a question asked about in many televised interviews in the near future whenever they ask about her tour. And I think the target demographic for this message is people outside of Israel anyway, since I don't think any of us expect change to come from within any time soon. There's too much hate on both sides. Awareness should be targeted toward citizens of other countries, who can then become inspired to get their government to intervene in some way. tl;dr: boycott >>>speech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker 3,713 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I agree with you 100%. But at the same time maybe if she performs it would bring more awareness? of course if she says something at the event Kindness rules all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Privileged in the sense that they have more money than the discriminated population. Privileged in the sense that they have more money That they have more money They have more money More money Money Intelligent comeback :sweep: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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