Ascetic 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 No, this thread needs to be shut down. It's become a political **** show of who deserves what. If Gaga were performing in Gaza, it'd be a different story. So mods please close this thread before things get extremely messy and religions, ethnic groups, and politics brew into something more within this community. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Noam Zioni 1,196 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 These are facts backed by officials , not random opinions from a television, i agree with you , we shouldn't base our opinions on what we are shown on tele. There were no guns as was proved by everyone other than the Israelis, they came to deliver aid to Palestine, as was shown in countless official reports done afterward, but your government will not allow that. They don't need to give them aid cause we give them aid. We provide them electricity, food.. We don't just let them live as they are poor and all.. We take care of them, cause it's kind of part of our land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 They don't need to give them aid cause we give them aid. We provide them electricity, food.. We don't just let them live as they are poor and all.. We take care of them, cause it's kind of part of our land. Ok so they don't need to give them aid so you shoot them and kill them? How does this solve anything. You don't think for one minute that there must be a reason why international countries are trying to give aid to palestine because of apartheid placed on them by israel. You can make all the claims you want but it doesn't change facts. The whole debate about whether palestine is being treated in accordance with international law is irrelevant, many studies and reports have been shown that israel is treating the Palestinians as 2nd class citizens and is imposing apartheid on them Here is a latest one from Human rights watch In 2013, Israeli forces killed Palestinian civilians in the West Bank, most in circumstances that suggest the killings were unlawful. Israeli authorities destroyed homes and other property under discriminatory practices, forcibly displacing hundreds of Palestinian residents in West Bank areas under Israeli control. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters. Gaga needs to take note of this and boycott the show. Just like many other high profile people have done and are doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Mr. Radio 45 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't agree with what's going on politically, but I do think every fan has the right to see her live. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Do NOT close this thread, for once there is a mature discussion of a mature subject that is in a way, related to Gaga, not just teenager sales traumas keep this open so more fans know about this, to help Gaga make a decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,196 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ok so they don't need to give them aid so you shoot them and kill them? How does this solve anything. You don't think for one minute that there must be a reason why international countries are trying to give aid to palestine because of apartheid placed on them by israel. You can make all the claims you want but it doesn't change facts. The whole debate about whether palestine is being treated in accordance with international law is irrelevant, many studies and reports have been shown that israel is treating the Palestinians as 2nd class citizens and is imposing apartheid on them Here is a latest one from Human rights watch Gaga needs to take note of this and boycott the show. Just like many other high profile people have done and are doing. The countries that trying to give them aid is Arabs, and they're enemy countries, you don't live here you don't have the right to judge the situation like this... Ok so they don't need to give them aid so you shoot them and kill them? How does this solve anything. You don't think for one minute that there must be a reason why international countries are trying to give aid to palestine because of apartheid placed on them by israel. You can make all the claims you want but it doesn't change facts. The whole debate about whether palestine is being treated in accordance with international law is irrelevant, many studies and reports have been shown that israel is treating the Palestinians as 2nd class citizens and is imposing apartheid on them Here is a latest one from Human rights watch Gaga needs to take note of this and boycott the show. Just like many other high profile people have done and are doing. The countries that trying to give them aid is Arabs, and they're enemy countries, you don't live here you don't have the right to judge the situation like this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I didn't ask you about being religious, I was just wondering what do you think of their reasons not to be pro-Israeli even they are by themselves Jews? I don't know what to think of that woman (is it a woman?), but I can see MemriTv sign and it's founded by a Zionist Jew Yigal Carmon ( IDF Intelligence from 1968–88), that channel is propaganda tool of your goverment as its choosing the worst from Arab world to translate to people in the West. Very biased channel. If you look at the history Jews were always persecuted by the Christians, they were seeking refuge in Islamic Spain - Andalusia, they lived fine for centuries in Morocco, Tunisia etc. Nowdays I believe they are not favored in Arab world because other Arabs empathize with Palestinians. You asked if I heard of them, I said I did but I'm not religious so they mean nothing for me. That's all. So now any Jew must be pro-Israeli? Does all the Muslims out the are pro-Palestinians? This is getting silly. You guys are really trying the most. Picking the most extremist people over there to prove me while you're asking me to do otherwise. Pointless discussion, I have better things to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVA 666 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 For me it's more about the fans. I think she should go so the fans can see her. That's what I think it's really about right now. We're all Stronger Together! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 You seriously are so ill informed on this topic. It is their problem because YOUR government does not allow them to build!! It sanctions everything from them, how is this fair. No on can support this Not only does Israel interfere with Palestinian housing and building construction, it also plays an active role in demolishing existing buildings and homes in Palestinian areas. From 2000 to 2007 Israel demolished more than 1,500 Palestinian homes and buildings in the West Bank, compared with about 15 demolition orders carried out against buildings in Israel’s illegal settlements during the period from 1997 to 2009. In Gaza, Israel demolished more than 2,500 homes from 2000 to 2004. Within Israel, Palestinians are legally barred from many communities by racially restrictive covenants in housing, much like those that formerly barred Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities in the United States from living in certain neighborhoods. Palestinians are legally barred from living in “Jewish community settlements†and “Jewish rural settlements.†Within Israel, 89 percent of its towns are classified as Jewish, and of those non-Jews are excluded from residing in 78 percent. The Israeli government has not allowed the building of a single new Arab town since 1948. The nerve of you saying it is their problem. Disgusting. I'm the one who lives here and experience it all. The nerve of you calling me misinformed. "Disgusting." You might want to ignore it, but everything has a reason. No houses are being demolished for no reason. Most of them belonged to terrorists before. I doubt every number you have showed. You show no signs of understanding the other size at all. That is really the "disgusting" thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ofcourse you doubt it, thats what you have been taught to believe. These are credible statistics but you don't want to believe in them . I'm the one who lives here and experience it all. The nerve of you calling me misinformed. "Disgusting." You might want to ignore it, but everything has a reason. No houses are being demolished for no reason. Most of them belonged to terrorists before. I doubt every number you have showed. You show no signs of understanding the other size at all. That is really the "disgusting" thing. WOW just wow, way to show yourself up. What an incredibly ignorant thing to say, is that what you are made to believe i honestly can't believe you actually think this. Lets take one example, from many: According to the United Nations, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF just in the Rafah area in the period 2000-2004. This is only one of many. So are you telling me all 1500 of these homes happened to be terrorists? God you are so ignorant i cant with you. This is from the UNITED NATIONS not some propaganda arab state or something you would like to believe. The countries that trying to give them aid is Arabs, and they're enemy countries, you don't live here you don't have the right to judge the situation like this... It is not just arab states that give palestine aid, countries from around the world give them aid, from europe to america. Educate yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians Your borderline racism and ignorance is quite frankly too much, i refuse to believe you are being serious at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ofcourse you doubt it, thats what you have been taught to believe. These are credible statistics but you don't want to believe in them . WOW just wow, way to show yourself up. What an incredibly ignorant thing to say, is that what you are made to believe i honestly can't believe you actually think this. Lets take one example, from many: According to the United Nations, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF just in the Rafah area in the period 2000-2004. This is only one of many. So are you telling me all 1500 of these homes happened to be terrorists? God you are so ignorant i cant with you. This is from the UNITED NATIONS not some propaganda arab state or something you would like to believe. This is going to nowhere Have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Criminal 2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 1. You're a fukin idiot. 2. There is fans wating for her for years, so fuk off. 3. Get some REAL and true education about the place. 4. Know everyone any fan has the right to see Gaga. People like you should be not given a warning, but should be permanently banned from this forum. Sick & disgusting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 This is going to nowhere Have a nice day Ok. I would urge you to please read up on history and try to educate yourself in these matters, please don't believe everything you are made to believe by your government, once you can see through the lies and the propaganda maybe there will be peace one day. You as well have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 866 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ok. I would urge you to please read up on history and try to educate yourself in these matters, please don't believe everything you are made to believe by your government, once you can see through the lies and the propaganda maybe there will be peace one day. You as well have a nice day Same for you. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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