US Charts Discussion

[Harry 26,836]

I'd think he'd be right to do so, though, I mean something like that should be a deal breaker

 

Yeah I wouldn't blame him

[itaita 0]

Truth is, The Fame era Gaga barely made any money. Gaga was way more profitable during the Born This Way era, as crazy as it sounds. Just like how 2012 is one of the best years in Madonna's career despite most people not even knowing she had an album out.

 You are correct.

 

But BTW came in on the smash success of TF & TFM. They paved the way for BTW, and most of BTW still rode those coattails.

 

BTW era produced BTW as biggest hit single of the era (statistically), but failed to deliver as many memorable songs (I am speaking from the over all public opinion, not the fan base). It solidified her fan base but also set her apart - good or bad, who knows.

 

Anyway, what I am saying is, one can ride hits for years, and many have been, and she still will. In the eyes of majority of population, she is still the Bad Romance girl. But now it's time to keep building the legacy so it lays foundation for the future. It's about the SONGS, always, first and foremost.

 

Speaking of Dr Luke, he is a hit maker, but not the right guy for her - he RULES, and she needs a collaborator, not a CEO, they would clash too much.

 

But IMO, DJWS was not the right guy either because he is not a real songwriter-producer. Just my two cents. He can provide amazing tracks, but she needs someone who can also collaborate on the song part big time.

[Klou 2,414]

I agree with you to some extent. I'm a spectator and enjoy what she brings to the audience but not so in depth that whatever she does would be able to make or break my day for example. I only meltdown over my own stuff

I wish I could say the same. If something is going terribly wrong with Gaga it ruins my mood. I do notice that I'm starting to care less and less about her chart performance, though. These last few months did me good.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

 

But IMO, DJWS was not the right guy either because he is not a real songwriter-producer. Just my two cents. He can provide amazing tracks, but she needs someone who can also collaborate on the song part big time.

 

Well not will.I.am either, I don't even understand how he could make Fashion into this monster seeing his previous work....

I wish I could say the same. If something is going terribly wrong with Gaga it ruins my mood. I do notice that I'm starting to care less and less about her chart performance, though. These last few months did me good.

 

See, maybe it is just you getting older after all hahaha  ;)  

[Jjang 2,262]

*I'm here for Xtina replacing R Kelly.

[Innovative 17]

 You are correct.

 

But BTW came in on the smash success of TF & TFM. They paved the way for BTW, and most of BTW still rode those coattails.

 

BTW era produced BTW as biggest hit single of the era (statistically), but failed to deliver as many memorable songs (I am speaking from the over all public opinion, not the fan base). It solidified her fan base but also set her apart - good or bad, who knows.

 

Anyway, what I am saying is, one can ride hits for years, and many have been, and she still will. In the eyes of majority of population, she is still the Bad Romance girl. But now it's time to keep building the legacy so it lays foundation for the future. It's about the SONGS, always, first and foremost.

 

Speaking of Dr Luke, he is a hit maker, but not the right guy for her - he RULES, and she needs a collaborator, not a CEO, they would clash too much.

 

But IMO, DJWS was not the right guy either because he is not a real songwriter-producer. Just my two cents. He can provide amazing tracks, but she needs someone who can also collaborate on the song part big time.

 

Absolutely not, Born This Way was everywhere and she is "Born This Way girl" before Bad Romance

[itaita 0]

Applause was great in the US. It stayed in the top 5 on iTunes for weeks and weeks. Relatable? People really don't care that much in Pop music, especially when it comes to dance pop, they want catchy and fun. The only problem was that radio lagged behind. That's a label issue, not Gaga's or her management's issue. Interscope should have had radio support lined up.

 

Who would expect, or even want a song like Roar from Gaga? Why would Gaga write and release songs that appeal to 7 or 8 year olds? There are plenty of Disney girls around who do that! If that's what you are looking for, Gaga is not your girl. Gaga's empowerment song is BTW, which was not written for 7 year olds and conservative middle America. You are wanting Gaga to be something that she isn't.

 

 

Look, it's quite simple.

 

Songs are like this:

 

1) I feel pretty awesome/hot, I wanna dance catchy (Just Dance for ex.)

 

2) Inspiring/uplifiting

 

3) I feel you (feels, general stuff, love, heartbreak, hope etc)

 

I never said Applause is a bad song. I said, in pop terms, it's the most commercial song on the record, and is closest to #1 - BUT - in terms of the subject matter, it's just not that relatable. It's a song about craving, yes, Applause. It's something you release, IMO, as your last single. It's going to be the last song in her live set, probably, too, and it makes sense.

 

My point about 7 year olds was not that she should make songs for them. My point was to explain why it was not a huge hit like Roar, and those are just facts.

 

A lot of people I know who are not fans were a bit puzzled by Applause, even though they liked the song.

[craig 680]

DJ on my radio just raving about how good the Gaga-Xtina performance was. 

[Stefani328 321]

It's ok guys.

Klou' friend said singles 3,4, and 5 would do well

And don't you dare doubt her after she predicted DWUW's underperformance.

DWUW had the potential to smash, but that's not going to happen and mainly because of the video.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

 

I'm here for Xtina replacing R Kelly.

 

 

Guess we won't know till it gets released. Would be a good move tho seeing the reactions of both fanbases and the GP.

[TEANUS 15,893]

ARTPOP would have smashed hard if everything leading up until now happened like this:

BTW Era:

1. Born This Way - February 11, 2011 #1

2. Scheibe - May 9, 2011 #1

Promo Single: Heavy Metal Lover - May 16, 2011 #12 (I'm guessing it would have performed similarly to Hair)

3. Marry The Night - August 22, 2011 #3

4. You and I (US Only)/ Bloody Mary or Heavy Metal Lover (Depending on how HML did as promo single internationally) (International Single) - October 24, 2011 #6 for Y&I

5. Hair - January 2, 2012 #4

6. The Edge of Glory - March 19, 2012 #6-10

ARTPOP Era:

1. Applause - August 19, 2013 #1 (It could have reached #1 with MV same day and the BTW era like this)

2. Do What U Want - October 21, 2013 #2 (I think The Monster would still block it but DWUW would still have A LOT of momentum)

Oh the slayage if her team was smarter :cry:

[itaita 0]

Absolutely not, Born This Way was everywhere and she is "Born This Way girl" before Bad Romance

 

You are correct that Born This Way was everywhere.

 

But as far as longevity goes, Bad Romance will outlive BTW. 

[Valextra 58]

Thank God, I was thinking to be the oldest here (I am 26).

 

[Luc 4,775]

You are correct.

 

But BTW came in on the smash success of TF & TFM. They paved the way for BTW, and most of BTW still rode those coattails.

 

BTW era produced BTW as biggest hit single of the era (statistically), but failed to deliver as many memorable songs (I am speaking from the over all public opinion, not the fan base). It solidified her fan base but also set her apart - good or bad, who knows.

 

Anyway, what I am saying is, one can ride hits for years, and many have been, and she still will. In the eyes of majority of population, she is still the Bad Romance girl. But now it's time to keep building the legacy so it lays foundation for the future. It's about the SONGS, always, first and foremost.

 

Speaking of Dr Luke, he is a hit maker, but not the right guy for her - he RULES, and she needs a collaborator, not a CEO, they would clash too much.

 

But IMO, DJWS was not the right guy either because he is not a real songwriter-producer. Just my two cents. He can provide amazing tracks, but she needs someone who can also collaborate on the song part big time.

Yeah, I guess so. But Gaga has built a gigantic fanbase over the years, with thousands and thousands of fans who go to 2 shows, or hell some even 25. That's Gaga's strong point, in Chile for example, the Monster Pit was full already two days before the actual concert. Neither Katy, nor Rihanna, nor Beyonce nor Britney have that. Another strong point of Gaga is that she is big everywhere (except for my floppy country tbh; she's the most global artist by far having large success in East-Asia, Latin America and the Middle East next to the usual North America, Europe and Oceania for US popstars. Sad thing is, she's not really using those benefits this era. She's not promoting enough in smaller countries like she did with the BTW era (Taiwan, Singapore, Italy) and she's losing this connection she had with fans during the BTW era.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

 

My point about 7 year olds was not that she should make songs for them. My point was to explain why it was not a huge hit like Roar, and those are just facts.

 

 

 

Funny you mention it because I said this a week ago on another thread:

 

The problem is tho that mothers won't by a Gaga CD for their offspring because they just don't get it or it's too s-xual (ARTPOP).

It's a safe bet to go for Katy Perry and her mediocre-but-not-offending-anyone-Prism. Mothers with daughters will go to the concert as a mommy-kid gathering while singing Roar together.

I can't imagine a lot of moms wanting to take their kids to a Gaga performance while jamming to Do What you want (with my body)  (I am tho, I'm taking my 10 year old haha).