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[blahblahblahhhh 15]

Am I the only one who is tired of all this Haus drama? I want her to collaborate with some professionals as well. Why not have the best of both worlds? She needs a good team. Handling a career yourself is not as easy as it may look. 

 

Really, like, I am getting kind of frustrated because of the lack of cohesiveness and all the slick and polished videos she was releasing back in the day. I also miss her well-planned performances, everything has felt kind of basic lately. Except for the AMAs performance.

[itaita 0]

Mariano run for ur life tbh

 

Hmm. Well I don't think I said anything inflammatory, and I do stand behind what I said over all.

 

Whether the video is really being re-worked or not... I am NOT 100% sure.

 

but - I do know there is some tension on the subject. And that info does come from the industry side. Mind you, it's all just a rumour mill at the end of the day. However, it makes sense to me, knowing Terry's work etc.

 

My point, over all, was to emphasize not the WHEN or HOW the video will come out, but the fact that R.Kelly's situation is affecting this video far more than this fan base seems to think. That's all. I think the video will come out and depending on the executive decisions it may or may not be edited differently. All I am saying is it's unfortunate timing.

 

The R.Kelly Village Voice is very explicit and got a lot of press/many tongues wagging.

 

Gaga has set herself up to be an anti-bullying popstar. R. Kelly is the ULTIMATE bully.

 

That makes for very bad press and a controversy that does not entice people to buy a song, but go "ewwwww".

 

you get me?

[ChicaSkas 23,208]

I am a fan and  a long time lurker, first time poster, also connected to the industry.

 

Anyway, I thought I would address some of your meltdowns above and set some things relatively straight. I am not here to bash, just to give some info and also put perspective on things.

 

The reason according to my sources why the video is on hold is because, indeed, Terry and Gaga went all out. It's quite, er, suggestive.

 

The problem is that, you may have not paid attention, but there has been a major R.Kelly backlash in the recent couple of weeks. The mainstream has caught on, even though it's Christmas time, and the whole industry, although most people already knew of his reputation, the Village Voice expose with the court documents posted did a lot of damage.

 

Now, you could say that it doesn't matter, and to R.Kelly it may not. His fanbase will still support him, most likely.

 

But for Gaga, who has been re-building her image, to go from Venus to making out with a publicly known pedophile and abuser, is a huge risk. Interscope does not feel it is a good one this time around. Shock value is good, when it's harmless, in their opinion. Also it's Christmas-time, and the timing of a pretty sleazy video being released just as children are getting their gifts from under the tree....eh.... not ideal. There would be hell to pay from the media who would eat this up - Gaga getting it on with R.Kelly on screen - and all the articles would link back to his online mess.

 

The video is being re-worked. I don't think it will be scrapped, though. The Christina event added to the possibility of her being in the new version but it's not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Now, as much as Gaga is a powerhouse of ideas, she ALWAYS had brilliant collaborators who helped her filter those ideas. The reason why The Fame and TFM did so well is because there was a cohesiveness to that work, both musically and visually. She deferred to her Haus, management and although still ultra active in the creation of the presentations, she had a TEAM.

 

Now, the team is no longer there. Vince is a great guy, but he was always a yes man to her, not a real partner. It was Troy who guided her in the recent years. The industry was buzzing after their breakup. For Troy to give up his cash cow was unthinkable. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Gaga could just break that contract herself. She does not have THAT much power yet. Interscope owns her hand and foot, it's a 360 deal. For them it was an Event Horizon, not in a good way. So for Troy to depart, and before the cycle started, meant that Gaga was truly acting out and taking the reigns and was impossible to handle.

 

I am not saying it's always a bad thing to walk your own line, but on that level it's very hard to keep an even head. I think this album and the whole era show a lack of cohesiveness. Even BTW, with its flaws, still had an element of 'that something'. People loved or hated it and still do. Some in the fan base are now waxing nostalgic about it. Most people in the GP just don't really...care.

 

Anyway, here's to hoping things will turn around and Gaga acquires a brilliant collaborator/partner/strategist in no time.

Very well said. Ominous if what you are saying is true regarding her taking the reigns. I think she can handle it though. We are so hardcore, we will support her almost no matter what she does.

I hope she can weather this storm alone... too bad about losing Troy.

[blahblahblahhhh 15]

Gaga has set herself up to be an anti-bullying popstar. R. Kelly is the ULTIMATE bully.

 

That makes for very bad press and a controversy that does not entice people to buy a song, but go "ewwwww".

 

you get me?

 

It makes total sense though.

[Lady 748]

Wake up call ?

The only thing she knows is:

That Applause is her biggest radio hit according to Twitter monsters :snowmess:

That ARTPOP sold 1.2M Copies WW in its first 2 weeks :snowmess:

That DWUW is the first song to top 1M without a video :snowmess:

 

I'm sure for now she knows the actual numbers  Like certainly

[Luc 4,775]

Hmm. Well I don't think I said anything inflammatory, and I do stand behind what I said over all.

 

Whether the video is really being re-worked or not... I am NOT 100% sure.

 

but - I do know there is some tension on the subject. And that info does come from the industry side. Mind you, it's all just a rumour mill at the end of the day. However, it makes sense to me, knowing Terry's work etc.

 

My point, over all, was to emphasize not the WHEN or HOW the video will come out, but the fact that R.Kelly's situation is affecting this video far more than this fan base seems to think. That's all. I think the video will come out and depending on the executive decisions it may or may not be edited differently. All I am saying is it's unfortunate timing.

 

The R.Kelly Village Voice is very explicit and got a lot of press/many tongues wagging.

 

Gaga has set herself up to be an anti-bullying popstar. R. Kelly is the ULTIMATE bully.

 

That makes for very bad press and a controversy that does not entice people to buy a song, but go "ewwwww".

 

you get me?

Yes, the label doesn't want controversies like her wearing fur, smoking weed in public or releasing songs like Judas again. Which I completely get, I have restored my faith in Interscope and see that it's way more about Gaga and the people she surrounds herself with hopefully Interscope has seen the light that controversy isn't beneficial most of the time.

[craig 680]

We are so hardcore, we will support her almost no matter what she does.

 

No we don't, we are the only freaking fanbase with people who want their star MORE controlled by the label.

Everyone else wants their idol to take more power, be more creative. 

 

A significant bunch want Gaga to make herself the puppet of professions. Anything for chart success.

[Stefani328 321]

They should have never chosen Terry Richardson to direct in the first place. He just completely creeps me out. I think if they had chosen a different director, we would've gotten the video over a month ago. Terry and R.Kelly together was just a bad idea.

 

We are so hardcore, we will support her almost no matter what she does.

 

No, some get constructive criticism and just hateful bashing confused. Plus there are some that would just love to have Gaga like a puppet on strings and they want her to just dance and not have any life if they aren't satisfied. 

[Luc 4,775]

Yeah, Terry is an even bigger creep than R. Kelly to me - I just want Terry to have no contacts with Gaga anymore. Sorry Terry, your photographing is ugly, you are ugly, your mind is ugly and your history is ugly.

[blahblahblahhhh 15]

No we don't, we are the only freaking fanbase with people who want their star MORE controlled by the label.

Everyone else wants their idol to take more power, be more creative. 

 

A significant bunch want Gaga to make herself the puppet of professions. Anything for chart success.

 

Not using professionals necessarily for the chart success. I talk about her vision getting executed in a better, more polished way, if that makes any sense, since that's a completely subjective view.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

They should have never chosen Terry Richardson to direct in the first place. He just completely creeps me out. I think if they had chosen a different director, we would've gotten the video over a month ago. Terry and R.Kelly together was just a bad idea.

 

This!  Gaga with R Kelly AND Terry to top it off is like having a smouldering fire and gush it with gasoline.

[Lady 748]

Am I the only one who is tired of all this Haus drama? I want her to collaborate with some professionals as well. Why not have the best of both worlds? She needs a good team. Handling a career yourself is not as easy as it may look. 

 

Really, like, I am getting kind of frustrated because of the lack of cohesiveness and all the slick and polished videos she was releasing back in the day. I also miss her well-planned performances, everything has felt kind of basic lately. Except for the AMAs performance.

Yes, I'm with you. And it makes me extremely sad. Like I'm SAD. It's freakin Lady Gaga, the most talented girl there, and she's just screwing her own career up. BUT I'm still extremely positive about her future, cause she's not stupid and cause of that I'm sure she's going to, let's say, start over...

[craig 680]

Yeah, Terry is an even bigger creep than R. Kelly to me - I just want Terry to have no contacts with Gaga anymore. Sorry Terry, your photographing is ugly, you are ugly, your mind is ugly and your history is ugly.

 

We hated and cyberbullied Boomcack before she left, and we hated Perez when they were friends, and we called RedOne basic, and now we b---h Ggaa is a diva because she "got rid of her team." 

[Luc 4,775]

I guess what Gaga really needs right now is a smash hit

We hated Boomcack before she left, and we chated Perwez when they were friends, and we called RedOne basic, and now we b---h Ggaa is a diva because she "got rid of her team." 

Sorry, but I became a Gaga fan after all the mess of the BTW era, mostly because of the BTWBall.

[Kevbev 415]

Oh, in regards to the music. ARTPOP is not a bad album. But it was overhyped, again by Gaga herself. When you tell people over and over how amazingly innovative and great you are, they push back unless you OVERdeliver.

 

By the way, speaking as someone connected to her world, the reason why most of her early songs are still considered the best - they were written by Gaga on piano and THEN re-worked into tracks. They were organic to begin with. Some of BTW and pretty much most of ARTPOP imo, was written over tracks. There is a big difference when that happens. There is a slight disconnect in Gaga's case because she grew up as such a pianist/singer. You can see the differences in her acoustic performances of songs starting with BTW because she was taking those songs and THEN making them acoustic, not the other way around like before. That's why PF was so amazing on piano and got her so many fans - it was an organic song written acoustically first and then made into a pop tune.

This. She needs to go back to the board and write and great material and then work with producers who can showcase her vocals. We all know she's capable of it.