Gaga Related Random Conversation Thread

[Weasel 12,525]

I don't want to be rude but even if things were not going as planned with DWUW, she shot it 3 months ago. She could've reshot it easily in that timeframe, she could've released the DWUW video and a new video already. Beyonce shot 17 videos in 6 months while having a baby and being on tour. 

 

The time before the Artrave starts is ticking away and if she doesn't get into the spotlight soon people won't buy tickets. 

[Whispering 18,865]

She wasn't. She was a feature artist. Feature artists don't get asked to open shows. Beyoncé got asked to open the show because she's such a force, especially since her surprise album. GaGa is... or was? a force like that, so she would have no problem getting a slot in that bore fest of a show. 

 

They didn't invite her? How do you know that? Did she tell you that? Did the Grammys tell you?

 

I've been a fan of her since early 2009 and have been on this forum since late 2009, obviously I don't hate her. I hate her absolute NEGLIGENCE lately, both to us and to the album overall. I don't care what she's going through or what's happening internally. That's for her and her label to deal with. What I care about is that she acts like she actually gives a **** about the album and the success of it, instead of giving up on it just because it's selling poorly and got dragged by the critics. She still owes it to us to give us an at least half assed music video and a pretty dress on the Grammy's red carpet. And I paid $1,500 to meet the b---h in May, so please don't tell me that I'm the one with the problem when I'm only upset at her for valid reasons.

 

You can continue on being her lap dog, but for what? What is she doing for you? She's neglecting you the same as she is the rest of us. Once she gives us something more I'll be perfectly happy. Even if she just told us what the hell she's been doing, I would be happy. But she's said absolutely nothing besides "no negativity on this site thank u". My frustrations are perfectly valid and are what any clairvoyant stan would feel. You do you though. 

Beyonce was nominated for a Grammy this year. She was asked to perform because she was nominated and she is the only female that managed to get into the top 10 selling albums of the year in 2013. She and her husband were nominated for a song together, they performed a song together.

 

Gaga wasn't invited because they don't invite non-nominated artists to perform original material. The exceptions are when they invite legends back for duets or group performances or other artists for tribute type performances. For instance, they could have asked Gaga to perform with Carole King, but they had a Grammy nominee in Sara Bareilles to do that job. The rare exceptions can happen, like JT, but he had to take a complete hiatus from music for seven years to get that spot. If Gaga had pulled a seven year break after the BTW era, she would have initially gotten the same attention JT received.

 

Gaga isn't your Barbie. She is a human being. She isn't going to show up on the red carpet at an event, where she wasn't invited to perform, so that you can post your "Slaaay mommma" comments on some fanboard. The whole idea of her doing that is horribly insulting to her as a person and as an artist! Gaga owes NO ONE something as demeaning as that! The fact that you want that just shows how out of whack your thinking is!

 

An artist, or their label or manager, does not simply call up and "get them a spot" on the Grammys- if they haven't been nominated. This is not the VMAs, it is the Grammys. Gaga wasn't nominated for anything, she wasn't invited to perform. This isn't another speculation turned fact inside your head you can add to your arsenal to bash and criticize her. This wasn't her choice! I know that you want it to be, so that you can keep going on and on about what a loser she is and how she has let you down. It would make you happy if you could add this to your big bag of complaints, so you could even be more miserable about being a fan, but this little fantasy you are making up in your head isn't true.

 

Gaga doesn't owe you a thing. You decide whether to continue to be a fan or not. You can't demand anything from her. Gaga could stop with this era today and there isn't a thing you could do about it. She has free choices and SO DO YOU! You don't like what is going on- get out, take a break! Sell your ticket, spend that money on going to see some other artists or on some kind of hobby that will occupy your time on something that makes you happy, not miserable. You have the choice!

[Larkin 100]

I just want the world to know its greatness; so we can bop together. But most people don't even know about current singles because of lack of promo and videos. 

[MonsterMarty 96]

An artist, or their label or manager, does not call up and "get them a spot" on the Grammys- if they haven't been nominated. This is not the VMAs, it is the Grammys. Gaga wasn't nominated for anything, she wasn't invited to perform. This isn't another speculation turned fact inside your head you can add to your arsenal to bash and criticize her. This wasn't her choice! I know that you want it to be, so that you can keep going on and on about what a loser she is and how she has let you down. It would make you happy if you could add this to your big bag of complaints, so you could even be more miserable about being a fan, but this little fantasy you are making up in your head isn't true.

 

Gaga doesn't owe you a thing. You decide whether to continue to be a fan or not. You can't demand anything from her. Gaga could stop with this era today and there isn't a thing you could do about it. She has free choices and SO DO YOU! You don't like what is going on- get out, take a break! Sell your ticket, spend that money on going to see some other artists or on some kind of hobby that will occupy your time on something that makes you happy, not miserable. You have the choice!

 

You misconstrue entirely here. Nobody wants to blame Gaga, but the bullsh!t of everything being beyond her control is moronic at this point. She is the one choosing to not promote, not get a MV out for her second single, not to appear at the biggest music event of the year. Nobody is saying Gaga owes something, but when Gaga drops a record she normally promotes it. When Gaga drops a single, and then says there will be a music video, one tends to follow. 

 

Nobody here needs to have this stupid riot act of shut up or decide to not be a fan thrown at them anytime they voice the fact that Lady Gaga not promoting ARTPOP for weeks makes them annoyed. We all want Gaga to succeed, we all want her to be successful here; the only people miserable are the ones talking about crying and being so upset over what's happening to an apparent victim of nonstop circumstance.

 

TL;DR

I'm greatly annoyed that Lady Gaga has decided she doesn't want to promote her record when it's underperforming. That doesn't mean I don't like the record or don't like Lady Gaga. I've loved most of the performances, and I really liked Applause's MV. I'm Gaga's fan, not her friend. I look forward to and enjoy purchasing the products she makes because in my view she's the best at it, when she actually gets around to doing it.

[Dominic 11,922]

First and foremost OP I just want to say that was a pleasure to read and you stated some very good points in such a good way! 

I may not be able to post as kindly as the OP but I shall try:

I am a little bored of this entire era at this point, it is strange because I don't even feel like we even have a new album, she seems so detached from her creation that it is difficult to stay positive.  I understand Gaga has a lot of people above her that she needs to okay things with but Interscope are not the problem, Gaga has even said they are being more than supportive.  As of late Gaga seems to be pointing the blame at everyone else, it seems like every other day another member of her team have "betrayed" her and at this point i'm starting to question where the problem really lies; with the team or with her? 

I love this woman and have done for years so I am no means handing my stan card in but considering the amount of effort her fans put into her, promoting, purchasing and supporting on a daily basis I feel a little snubbed by this current blackout 2.0.  She seems so focused on pointing out the flaws and negativity in her fan base that she seemed to have forgotten that a majority of us just want to "Stop the drama and start the music".  We all had high hopes for ARTPOP and as a whole I think a lot of us are seemingly underwhelmed by it, the lack of promotion isn't helping.  She should start to talk to us more on a friend-level rather than a parental one, we are not all children spreading online hate.  

As for Gaga doesn't owe us anything, I kind of have to disagree, for some people paying thousands to meet her and spending a fortune on her she does owe us at least an explanation of what the situation is.  I don't need to know her personal matters but from a business stance I do think we deserve to know what is going on; where our money is "going to" so to say.  This makes me sound like a non-stan but I really love this woman and her creations and right now I am feeling a little taken for granted. 

I really want her to bring this album to life, i'm not asking for 15 videos, apps, countless performances but I do want to see her giving her creation some meaning because right now the songs are feeling lifeless.

[MonsterMum 2,532]

Beyonce was nominated for a Grammy this year. She was asked to perform because she was nominated and she is the only female that managed to get into the top 10 selling albums of the year in 2013. She and her husband were nominated for a song together, they performed a song together.

 

Gaga wasn't invited because they don't invite non-nominated artists to perform original material. The exceptions are when they invite legends back for duets or group performances or other artists for tribute type performances. For instance, they could have asked Gaga to perform with Carole King, but they had a Grammy nominee in Sara Bareilles to do that job. The rare exceptions can happen, like JT, but he had to take a complete hiatus from music for seven years to get that spot. If Gaga had pulled a seven year break after the BTW era, she would have initially gotten the same attention JT received.

 

Gaga isn't your Barbie. She is a human being. She isn't going to show up on the red carpet at an event, where she wasn't invited to perform, so that you can post your "Slaaay mommma" comments on some fanboard. The whole idea of her doing that is horribly insulting to her as a person and as an artist! Gaga owes NO ONE something as demeaning as that! The fact that you want that just shows how out of whack your thinking is!

 

An artist, or their label or manager, does not simply call up and "get them a spot" on the Grammys- if they haven't been nominated. This is not the VMAs, it is the Grammys. Gaga wasn't nominated for anything, she wasn't invited to perform. This isn't another speculation turned fact inside your head you can add to your arsenal to bash and criticize her. This wasn't her choice! I know that you want it to be, so that you can keep going on and on about what a loser she is and how she has let you down. It would make you happy if you could add this to your big bag of complaints, so you could even be more miserable about being a fan, but this little fantasy you are making up in your head isn't true.

 

Gaga doesn't owe you a thing. You decide whether to continue to be a fan or not. You can't demand anything from her. Gaga could stop with this era today and there isn't a thing you could do about it. She has free choices and SO DO YOU! You don't like what is going on- get out, take a break! Sell your ticket, spend that money on going to see some other artists or on some kind of hobby that will occupy your time on something that makes you happy, not miserable. You have the choice!

 

Rari, sometimes I don't like you but you starting to grow on me.

You're spilling some hot tea here darling

[KrisFromMars 9]

I COMPLETELY AGREE.

Everything she's hyped about this era has proved disappointing. The album has some great songs, and some...not so good songs. The app is just a boring gif-maker. We've only had one music video to support the music. Performances are scattered. And she's decided to become a musical nun rather than a musical genius...

this tbh.. :cry:  :roll:

[Mary Pain 0]

 

 

You weren't offensive at all

 

I agree with you, this situation is frustating, but i'm sure Gaga must be the most frustrated of all of us.  I mean this thing of MTV, saying goodbye to her manager, managing herself, doing other jobs that she's definetely NOT prepared, "problems" with the video, with her team.  I think this was doomed for the start unluckily.  I would love for her to talk and to stop the criptic messages. But idk, i'll still wait, i'll try to be more positive, if she's in a "blackout" and said that she's restarting the era, then i know she must be working real hard right now.  Hope we have news really soon, specially in february. :)

[britneylopez99 0]

Maybe she won't tweet the video is cancelled because it isn't....

and so shes still keeping us in the dark

[Psychedelic 1,098]

I agree with you so much. I think this is her way to say 'I wanna do things my way or not do 'em at ll'.

 

She first was pushed to rush ARTPOP, luckily she pulled it up as the album is great as whole. But then she created a concept where 'Venus' was supposed to be 1st single. She was pushed to release 'Applause' as the 1st single instead. Then the 2nd single change. Gaga has said she herself made that choice but for some reason I don't believe her. After 'applause' not being received as expected, they wanted to have a mega hit aka BR, BTW, and the label thought that DWUW would be a better choice than Venus

 

Then we got the whole manager split situation, which obviously was led by all the artistic differences. On top of all of this, God knows what creative differences there were during the shooting and editing of the DWUW video. She seems to be sick of being pushed to do things a certain way because label believes that will be a 'success formula'.

 

I think it's safe and fair for her to say 'STOP' to all of this and take sometime off, even if it's not good for us (the fans) but she has to show them who is in charge of her creative and artistic expression. I assure we'll have tons of eras to come where she can be the leader she is for us!

[miss anthropy 0]

 

I would not be surprised if Jimmy and co are now poring over other songs and letting go of the initial era. That is depressing as hell to an artist. Love or hate the album, it's her child, she did pour her heart and soul into it, I suppose. When s*** like this happens, an artist goes through a sulking period, understandably.

 

 

I can see them releasing Act 2 as an E.P. and bundling it together with ARTPOP to boost sales, just like TF/TFM.

 

If they ever do release an Act 2, you can bet the interference/influence from Iovine/Interscope will be MUCH more profound. 

[Whispering 18,865]

You misconstrue entirely here. Nobody wants to blame Gaga, but the bullsh!t of everything being beyond her control is moronic at this point. She is the one choosing to not promote, not get a MV out for her second single, not to appear at the biggest music event of the year. Nobody is saying Gaga owes something, but when Gaga drops a record she normally promotes it. When Gaga drops a single, and then says there will be a music video, one tends to follow. 

 

Nobody here needs to have this stupid riot act of shut up or decide to not be a fan thrown at them anytime they voice the fact that Lady Gaga not promoting ARTPOP for weeks makes them annoyed. We all want Gaga to succeed, we all want her to be successful here; the only people miserable are the ones talking about crying and being so upset over what's happening to an apparent victim of nonstop circumstance.

 

TL;DR

I'm greatly annoyed that Lady Gaga has decided she doesn't want to promote her record when it's underperforming. That doesn't mean I don't like the record or don't like Lady Gaga. I've loved most of the performances, and I really liked Applause's MV. I'm Gaga's fan, not her friend. I look forward to and enjoy purchasing the products she makes because in my view she's the best at it, when she actually gets around to doing it.

We don't know what is going on with the second mv. No fan does. We don't know if there are some legal problems tied up with it or if there were some restrictions her label put on it that were out of her control. There are several scenarios that any of us could come up with here, but all of them would be guessing and wild speculations.

 

She didn't appear at the biggest music event of the year because she wasn't nominated for a single award at that event. Artists of Gaga's stature in the music business do not show up at a music event, if they are not nominated for awards, just to be there. Do you realize how ridiculous that would make an artist at Gaga's level look? There is NO artist with a shred of dignity that would do that or no manager or label that would ever recommend that their client or artist (at Gaga's level) do that!

 

No one here wants to see thread after thread of the exact same complaints made by the same people, over and over and over or the endless overly negative comments, based on nothing but fan speculations. The OP that started this thread was a sensible, logical fan sharing their feelings.They weren't a fan who posts multiple threads every week, sometimes every day, spreading nothing but negativity again and again.

 

There are fans who jump from thread to thread posting negative comments about every subject mentioned. There are fans who are making up speculations in their head, presenting them as facts, and then DEMANDING to know why Gaga isn't fixing those speculations they've imagined in their heads. (like that makes any sense) Those are the fans who are acting entitled and should examine why they are spending time on something that makes them that unhappy and frustrated every single day, for months and months. There is a difference between being frustrated with a situation and voicing your concerns over that situation (like the OP did) and obsessing about something or someone, you can't control, on a 24/7 basis for weeks and months. Those are the types of fans that should, at the very least, take a break.

 

Voicing concerns and frustrations, in a healthy way, can be beneficial. A constant focus on negativity, to the point where an individual is miserable is toxic to both the person and those around them.

[Jay.P 2,336]

I agree, and you said it in a great way :)

[Battle 4 Ur Life 6,739]

I don't even have to anything to add...the OP says it all

[MonsterMarty 96]

We don't know what is going on with the second mv. No fan does. We don't know if there are some legal problems tied up with it or if there were some restrictions her label put on it that were out of her control. There are several scenarios that any of us could come up with here, but all of them would be guessing and wild speculations.

It's been too long now. Gaga is a professional - if the one she shot is un-releasable for whatever reason you shoot another and get it out, especially after her essay on LM.com that gave no actual information but heavily alluded to the video being almost finished. That was weeks ago.

 

She didn't appear at the biggest music event of the year because she wasn't nominated for a single award at that event. Artists of Gaga's stature in the music business do not show up at a music event, if they are not nominated for awards, just to be there. Do you realize how ridiculous that would make an artist at Gaga's level look? There is NO artist with a shred of dignity that would do that or no manager or label that would ever recommend that their client or artist (at Gaga's level) do that!

Gaga is too big to attend the biggest music night of the year while she has new material out because she isn't nominated? News to me.

 

No one here wants to see thread after thread of the exact same complaints made by the same people, over and over and over or the endless overly negative comments, based on nothing but fan speculations. The OP that started this thread was a sensible, logical fan sharing their feelings.They weren't a fan who posts multiple threads every week, sometimes every day, spreading nothing but negativity again and again.

 

There are fans who jump from thread to thread posting negative comments about every subject mentioned. There are fans who are making up speculations in their head, presenting them as facts, and then DEMANDING to know why Gaga isn't fixing those speculations they've imagined in their heads. (like that makes any sense) Those are the fans who are entitled and should examine why they are spending time on something that makes them that unhappy and frustrated every single day, for months and months. There is a difference between being frustrated with a situation and voicing your concerns over that situation (like the OP did) and obsessing about something or someone you can't control on a 24/7 basis for weeks and months. Those are the types of fans that should at the very least, take a break.

This section is... strange. Is this aimed at me or Haus or something? Fans being frustrated is natural when Gaga decides to stay away from the spotlight now that her record has dropped. I don't know what speculations you're talking about that are getting all these threads, but most fans are just completely blind-sided by the fact that promotionally it very much seems like Gaga has given up. The same woman who promoted like a slave last time around is nowhere to be seen, save for the LM.com posts that are a nice mix of cringe and hypocrisy for the most part.

 

Do you understand the concept of stanning? If so, the taking a break idea makes virtually no sense.

 

Voicing concerns and frustrations, in a healthy way, can be beneficial. A constant focus on negativity, to the point where an individual is miserable is toxic to both the person and those around them.

You're assuming an awful lot. Who is miserable here?! Just because I'm annoyed at Gaga's lack of... doing anything really, doesn't mean I'm in any way miserable. And the toxic comment at the end sounds like it was pulled from a Gaga quote from the past 3 months of LM.com. We seem like two very different Gaga fans.