Gaga Related Random Conversation Thread

[Mark 4,065]

success... whats the point of music when nobody hears it.

lets face it. there MAYBE even better artists besides gaga, but no one knows them.

to keep that success of course, she needs to put out something that MOST PEOPLE wants.

if you dont like it, too bad.

[ryhanna 3,507]

success... whats the point of music when nobody hears it.

lets face it. there MAYBE even better artists besides gaga, but no one knows them.

to keep that success of course, she needs to put out something that MOST PEOPLE wants.

if you dont like it, too bad.

What's the point of success if it's with empty and shallow music? 

[BricksNStrings 231]

What's the point of success if it's with empty and shallow music? 

   

[Chic 20,830]

I'd rather it be a combination of both, because she's known when to traverse both. Sometimes I like 9 minute music videos and sometimes I like 3 minute ones. I always like when she's #1 but I don't mind when she's #20 either. There's no need to go for anything extreme, because she knows how to work both in very unique ways.

I don't see why she has to sacrifice the aesthetic quality of a music video by not having it be "perfectly produced". Obviously her work could never be perfect, but I don't see why her outward beauty should be completely shrouded by the unconventional beauty of her artistic vision. Just because she can be pretty doesn't mean that to be artistic, she has to be ugly. This is where you're getting this all wrong.

Meanwhile, ARTPOP feels more like Scenario A than B, in terms of music, even though it is mixed. The only songs that even remotely push the envelope for pop music on the new album are Venus, and to an extent Aura. Why? Venus is the only one that challenges structure and actually creates art in the music rather than just in the visuals.

I really don't feel that the success of the era should be attributed to the choices. ARTPOP's music is more like Scenario A in many cases, and yet it has the response of Scenario B. It would be better if it was more "You have this scenario, and there is a higher chance of it being successful than the other, but it has meaningless music." and "You have this scenario, and there is a lower chance of it being successful than the other, but it has intriguing music."

And you certainly can't expect everyone to have their priorities set for more artistic music. In my honest opinion, she hasn't done so well in creating music on ARTPOP that actually pushes boundaries except Venus, as I said earlier. A lot of the love on the album goes for both the more pop hits such as Sexxx Dreams, G.U.Y. and Gypsy, while people also adore Venus and ARTPOP (the song). For those people, as long as the music is good, it doesn't blatantly matter that the song is either artistic or not. Even though there are some people who enjoy her pop side more, and others that enjoy the art side.

So what you consider quality music seems to lean towards music that isn't as successful, implying 'artistic'. But that's simply your opinion, because people can consider pop to be quality music. Bad Romance and Poker Face are both very pop, but they're also quite artistic and clever. They're quality pieces of music that are pop, have short videos and were directed beautifully by professional directors, and yet they're still artistic in their own right. Bad Romance also happened to be edgy, dark and even morbid at times.

So I'd have to say that your view on this is rather black-and-white, whether intentional or not. I think you're trying to get people to understand her when in reality, you are the one who doesn't understand. If Scenario A is implied to be pop, and Scenario B is implied to be art, then the mixing of both of these in the past that has ensured the happiness of the fans and GP has proven that choosing one or the other isn't needed to fulfill your desire as a Lady Gaga fan.

Lastly, just because you make long, dark, edgy videos doesn't mean you're an artist, and just because you make articulate, planned-out, bubbly pop music doesn't mean you can't be an artist.

[Cerny 4,270]

What's the point of success if it's with empty and shallow music? 

You mean Gangnam Style/The Fox? 

[Mark 4,065]

What's the point of success if it's with empty and shallow music? 

 

people perceive music in different ways. it may not be meaningful to you.. but others did.. or at least appreciates it.

gaga doesn't have to be exclusive to specific people. she may express her music artistically or in a basic trashy way.

like i said, if you dont like it, too bad.

[Shadow 6,625]

I don't even care whether A or B. I like what I like and dislike what I dislike. I love rock music and most of them hardly chart at all and are far from safe, family friendly, or what's hot these days. If something happens to chart well that I like, cool. Otherwise, not my problem. But like hell I'd pass up a good beat.

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

I don't care what people say but artistic vision is sooooo subjective, and the only way appreciation and recognition can be shown in an objective way is through sales. The truth is people are appreciating Katy's art more than Gaga's and just because Katy might be selling more doesn't mean it's base and meaningless or less artistic than Gaga.

[BricksNStrings 231]

I'd rather it be a combination of both, because she's known when to traverse both. Sometimes I like 9 minute music videos and sometimes I like 3 minute ones. I always like when she's #1 but I don't mind when she's #20 either. There's no need to go for anything extreme, because she knows how to work both in very unique ways.

I don't see why she has to sacrifice the aesthetic quality of a music video by not having it be "perfectly produced". Obviously her work could never be perfect, but I don't see why her outward beauty should be completely shrouded by the unconventional beauty of her artistic vision. Just because she can be pretty doesn't mean that to be artistic, she has to be ugly. This is where you're getting this all wrong.

Meanwhile, ARTPOP feels more like Scenario A than B, in terms of music, even though it is mixed. The only songs that even remotely push the envelope for pop music on the new album are Venus, and to an extent Aura. Why? Venus is the only one that challenges structure and actually creates art in the music rather than just in the visuals.

I really don't feel that the success of the era should be attributed to the choices. ARTPOP's music is more like Scenario A in many cases, and yet it has the response of Scenario B. It would be better if it was more "You have this scenario, and there is a higher chance of it being successful than the other, but it has meaningless music." and "You have this scenario, and there is a lower chance of it being successful than the other, but it has intriguing music."

And you certainly can't expect everyone to have their priorities set for more artistic music. In my honest opinion, she hasn't done so well in creating music on ARTPOP that actually pushes boundaries except Venus, as I said earlier. A lot of the love on the album goes for both the more pop hits such as Sexxx Dreams, G.U.Y. and Gypsy, while people also adore Venus and ARTPOP (the song). For those people, as long as the music is good, it doesn't blatantly matter that the song is either artistic or not. Even though there are some people who enjoy her pop side more, and others that enjoy the art side.

So what you consider quality music seems to lean towards music that isn't as successful, implying 'artistic'. But that's simply your opinion, because people can consider pop to be quality music. Bad Romance and Poker Face are both very pop, but they're also quite artistic and clever. They're quality pieces of music that are pop, have short videos and were directed beautifully by professional directors, and yet they're still artistic in their own right. Bad Romance also happened to be edgy, dark and even morbid at times.

So I'd have to say that your view on this is rather black-and-white, whether intentional or not. I think you're trying to get people to understand her when in reality, you are the one who doesn't understand. If Scenario A is implied to be pop, and Scenario B is implied to be art, then the mixing of both of these in the past that has ensured the happiness of the fans and GP has proven that choosing one or the other isn't needed to fulfill your desire as a Lady Gaga fan.

Lastly, just because you make long, dark, edgy videos doesn't mean you're an artist, and just because you make articulate, planned-out, bubbly pop music doesn't mean you can't be an artist.

All of your points are valid. I agree that my post was very black and white - I was being intentionally hyperbolic to emphasize a point. Also, even though it does seem that Scenario A represented "Pop" and Scenario B represented "Art", I didn't not intend this: I would think of both as pop and both as art, but Scenario A is with the intention of creating something sole-ly for the success, whereas Scenario B is with the intention of creating pop art out of passion and inspiration that may or may not be (but hopefully is) successful. If I had to categorize, I'd say all of Gaga's career thusfar falls into Scenario B, including PF and BR.

 

You make a point about Venus and Aura and the album's sound overall, but challenging structure isn't really what I meant, I meant more lyrical territory and the "intentions" behind the music.

[Bye 3,947]

I just.. really don't even know what I want from Gaga anymore.

How about for her music? That's the only thing we should want from her to be honest, anything else is bonus.

[Mark 4,065]

I don't care what people say but artistic vision is sooooo subjective, and the only way appreciation and recognition can be shown in an objective way is through sales. The truth is people are appreciating Katy's art more than Gaga's and just because Katy might be selling more doesn't mean it's base and meaningless or less artistic than Gaga.

[No Angel 128]

How about for her music? That's the only thing we should want from her to be honest, anything else is bonus.

 

Well, musically, obviously. I don't need anything from her personal life. That's the true bonus. :)

[Bye 3,947]

Well, musically, obviously. I don't need anything from her personal life. That's the true bonus. :)

Then you do know what you want from her ;)

[ChasingGhosts 726]

I don't even care whether A or B. I like what I like and dislike what I dislike. I love rock music and most of them hardly chart at all and are far from safe, family friendly, or what's hot these days. If something happens to chart well that I like, cool. Otherwise, not my problem. But like hell I'd pass up a good beat.

Exactly! I love rock music too, AND metal/core, trance, hardstyle, trap and rap so if I like something I'll listen to it, if not then I wont. Popularity doesn't influence my taste in music. 

[ryhanna 3,507]

You mean Gangnam Style/The Fox? 

Well, let's face it, a lot of mainstream music is shallow and made to be popular and have a broad marketing appeal rather than actually saying something. A lot of it can come across as quite faceless and generic, as if it could actually be any singer singing the song and it wouldn't make a difference.  

 

I'd rather Gaga continue the path she's always taken and be commercial without sacrificing the "soul" of her music. There's nothing wrong with being popular, and there's nothing wrong with being commercial. But what's always stood out about Gaga is that she's kept her soul in the music, and that's made it unique and identifiable.