MigsCast 0 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Oh now Dr. Luke controlls the mainstream charts? I see... please just stop. I like Sex Dreams but its safe as its gets. And why exactly is Aura so risky? And the meltdowns dont count here at all, cause we are not the GP. Did I say Dr Luke controls the mainstream charts? Stop putting words into my mouth. Dr Luke knows what makes a hit and he delivers. Not to mention that Dr Luke isn't even the point of argument here. You're not going to derail this argument. The whole MANiCURE vs Sexxx Dreams debacle happened because Sexxx Dreams isn't safe. People liked Sexxx Dreams, but people were arguing that it "wasn't GP friendly" or whatever business it is that they say these days. I've already said it: Sexxx Dreams deviates from the pop trend and that makes it risky. Deny that all you want but that doesn't change the truth. Have you even heard Aura? That intro is risky. Those verses are risky. The mere MENTION of a burqa makes it risky. You just said Aura was never going to be released, and now you're saying it's safe? And yes, the meltdowns here do count. Meltdowns are meltdowns regardless of who they come from. Not to mention those meltdowns happened over twitter, tumblr and a whole host of other social media too. And perhaps you'd like to offer an actual argument instead of "just stop"? Edited October 23, 2013 by MigsCast Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glow 0 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Did I say Dr Luke controls the mainstream charts? Stop putting words into my mouth. Dr Luke knows what makes a hit and he delivers. Not to mention that Dr Luke isn't even the point of argument here. You're not going to derail this argument. The whole MANiCURE vs Sexxx Dreams happened because Sexxx Dreams isn't safe. People liked Sexxx Dreams, but people were arguing that it "wasn't GP friendly" or whatever business it is that they say these days. I've already said it: Sexxx Dreams deviates from the pop trend and that makes it risky. Deny that all you want but that doesn't change the truth. Have you even heard Aura? That intro is risky. Those verses are risky. The mere MENTION of a burqa makes it risky. You just said Aura was never going to be released, and now you're saying it's safe? And yes, the meltdowns here do count. Meltdowns are meltdowns regardless of who they come from. Not to mention those meltdowns happened over twitter, tumblr and a whole host of other social media too. And perhaps you'd like to offer an actual argument instead of "just stop"? 'Warrior' by Ke$ha had lack-luster sales compared to her other albums, and it was all produced by him. Don't you think it would've performed better if he delivered? No offense, but how does Sexxx Dreams deviate from pop? It fits in perfectly with funk-inspired mid tempo pop songs. It could be on Daft Punk's album, as a collaboration with Gaga. This isn't a bad thing, but I'm just saying. Sexxx Dreams is relatable, mid tempo, and fun. I wouldn't exactly call it risky. Also, I don't think the GP cares as much as you think they do. Just because AURA mentions a Burqa doesn't mean they're going to turn it off as soon as it comes on. All of the people I've played it to think it's a bop, and I doubt they even remember the 'Burqa' part. Sexxx Dreams is not risky at all. It's one of her safest songs (and I love it). The only thing remotely risky about it is the lyrics that are highly s-xual, but they're more metaphorical and less explicit in actuality. Especially when a song about S&M charted well. Additonally, please try to take Tumblr-freakouts with a grain of salt. Those are just the standard white, upper-middle class 'social justice' bloggers that rant about literally anything. Edited October 23, 2013 by Bad Religion Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BricksNStrings 215 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 You guys need to understand something: Gaga is an artist and a businesswoman (ART-POP). She frustrates pop fans because she isn't a robot who poses s-xily and sings about the club, and she frustrates indie fans/non-pop fans because her songs are catchy and have great hooks and choruses and Warholian simplified lyrics (which again frustrate the pop fans because they have deeper layers that aren't just surface level about the club). The way she is able to do both of these things and have a successful career is by producing WHATEVER she wants, HOW she wants it (ART) but by marketing it in a commercial way (POP). That is what this decision was based on. What's hilarious is most of the fans saying she "betrayed" her vision are the same ones complaining that she may not appeal to the "GP" in the first place (and I swear whenever I hear any Gaga fan say the words 'gp' I want to punch my computer, WTF do you know about this 'GP' and why does it matter to you at all????!!!) This was a smart decision and guess what guys....now we get TWO music videos, MORE than we originally were gonna get. Why aren't you appreciative of that? Gaga has said before she doesn't even care what gets released as a single, which she very recently indirectly reiterated (I write for the music not for the charts). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llbcherry 591 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Did I say Dr Luke controls the mainstream charts? Stop putting words into my mouth. Dr Luke knows what makes a hit and he delivers. Not to mention that Dr Luke isn't even the point of argument here. You're not going to derail this argument. The whole MANiCURE vs Sexxx Dreams debacle happened because Sexxx Dreams isn't safe. People liked Sexxx Dreams, but people were arguing that it "wasn't GP friendly" or whatever business it is that they say these days. I've already said it: Sexxx Dreams deviates from the pop trend and that makes it risky. Deny that all you want but that doesn't change the truth. Have you even heard Aura? That intro is risky. Those verses are risky. The mere MENTION of a burqa makes it risky. You just said Aura was never going to be released, and now you're saying it's safe? And yes, the meltdowns here do count. Meltdowns are meltdowns regardless of who they come from. Not to mention those meltdowns happened over twitter, tumblr and a whole host of other social media too. And perhaps you'd like to offer an actual argument instead of "just stop"? Just ftr, so good to see someone on the same page as me. Burqa is sooo risky. A lot of these songs are.. Someone singing the word Swine is just weird.. Not to change the subject. I just, man... I want her to succeed. Edited October 23, 2013 by llbcherry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos 3,196 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Did I say Dr Luke controls the mainstream charts? Stop putting words into my mouth. Dr Luke knows what makes a hit and he delivers. Not to mention that Dr Luke isn't even the point of argument here. You're not going to derail this argument. The whole MANiCURE vs Sexxx Dreams happened because Sexxx Dreams isn't safe. People liked Sexxx Dreams, but people were arguing that it "wasn't GP friendly" or whatever business it is that they say these days. I've already said it: Sexxx Dreams deviates from the pop trend and that makes it risky. Deny that all you want but that doesn't change the truth. Have you even heard Aura? That intro is risky. Those verses are risky. The mere MENTION of a burqa makes it risky. You just said Aura was never going to be released, and now you're saying it's safe? And yes, the meltdowns here do count. Meltdowns are meltdowns regardless of who they come from. Not to mention those meltdowns happened over twitter, tumblr and a whole host of other social media too. And perhaps you'd like to offer an actual argument instead of "just stop"? First of all you said "It isn't Dr. Luke song so its risky", how am i supposed to interpret that. Yea, Aura is never gonna be released, so why is this risky? Who care about a song from Album? Its not like any other artist don't habe bad songs who were not releases and and everybody is just ignoring it. Second, she changed the title from burqua to aura... And who are all these people you refer to? Sex Songs are always safe, its what everyone does and i don't see anything risky about it. Btw: i love all these songs if i forgot to mention Edited October 23, 2013 by Mythos Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ladygaga1984 175 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) I had to sign up and post after reading all of this. Well Venus was selected as a second single and DWUW as a promo single for a reason.... it´s kind of a no brainer. Remember the song that was going to make us "pee ourselves"? That´s Venus! It´s probably another BR, MTN, incredible smash. DWUW is nice, but you don´t expect "nice" for the second single from a popstar of the caliber of Gaga... you expect EPIC! DWUW will probably do well on the radio but is not going to go down in history as an EPIC Gaga song. I´m disappointed. They should have waited until next week, see what the reaction to Venus is, and then make this decision. And it is completely unprofessional and lame towards her genuine fan base (us! the people who actually go to her concert!) to change the single choice 4 days before the second single is released. I mean if it was two weeks ago I would understand, but 4 days? Mess.... In b4 Venus also becomes number 1 all over the world and is a bigger success than DWUW. Edited October 23, 2013 by ladygaga1984 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterdreams 1,529 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Maybe she'll still make a vid for Venus Haters gonna need more than a flashlight for my shade Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venus de Artpop 0 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) This change has driven this fanbase into a hot mess, #TEAMDWUW #TEAMVENUS I'm #TEAMGYPSY Maybe she'll still make a vid for Venus It's already been made and shall be released. This is what drives me to believe that Venus will be a single. Edited October 23, 2013 by Venus de Artpop Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigsCast 0 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) 'Warrior' by Ke$ha had lack-luster sales compared to her other albums, and it was all produced by him. Don't you think it would've performed better if he delivered? Lack of promotion. Not to mention the whole Free Kesha debacle, but that's not on topic. The point was that Dr Luke knows what makes a hit, and he uses that. It's why he gets accused of being generic and formulated. He plays it safe. That was the point. No offense, but how does Sexxx Dreams deviate from pop? It fits in perfectly with funk-inspired mid tempo pop songs. It could be on Daft Punk's album, as a collaboration with Gaga. This isn't a bad thing, but I'm just saying. Sexxx Dreams is relatable, mid tempo, and fun. I wouldn't exactly call it risky. Also, I don't think the GP cares as much as you think they do. Just because AURA mentions a Burqa doesn't mean they're going to turn it off as soon as it comes on. All of the people I've played it to think it's a bop, and I doubt they even remember the 'Burqa' part. Key word: trend. The current pop atmosphere is dance and EDM. Sexxx dreams is neither of those. Fair enough, it might not be the kind of risk that her entire career depends on, but it's definitely not "safe". The GP might not care, but "burqa" is going to be another point of contention. Controversy contributed greatly to the overexposure of the BTW era. And that controversy won't reflect nicely on her, especially now that people like to pull the "Stop the Drama" card at every possible opportunity. And those tumblr freakouts are from fans. Not everyone on tumblr is a social justice blogger, I'm sure you know that. --- First of all you said "It isn't Dr. Luke song so its risky", how am i supposed to interpret that. Dr Luke plays safe. That's how you're meant to interpret that. Yea, Aura is never gonna be released, so why is this risky? Who care about a song from Album? ...because people buy albums. That's who's gonna care. The people who buy albums. And regardless of what the title is, the mention of "burqa" is still there. She may have changed the title but that's not gonna make it safe. And who are all these people you refer to? Sex Songs are always safe, its what everyone does and i don't see anything risky about it. I never once said the subject content made it risky. Clearly you're not getting this, and clearly I'm not going to change your opinion on this. I think I've made my point and I have better things to do, so we're done talking. No amount of complaining is ever going to change the fact that DWUW punched Venus out of the second single spot. Edited October 23, 2013 by MigsCast Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuyi.sBitch 1 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 They didn't have a week to decide which would perform better! They had a couple hours. Do they pump fuel into the ROCKET that DWUW is, or do they continue on with the plans for Venus? If they waited a week to compare...That'd be a cluster****. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkCity 10,517 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 If anyone else in this fanbase says "and she says she doesnt care about charts" I'll cut myself. #CutForThisMess Like, are you serious? It is not that hard to understant what she said. She does get happy if she's number one with a song (who wouldn't?) The difference is that the creation process is not based on that. End. Stop basing Gaga like haters because you can't understant a simple commemt and you take ir too literaly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladygaga1984 175 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Team VENUS! I don´t even have to listen to the song to know I´m going to love it much more than DWUW. It was her choice for a second single after all and all the gays are going to love it. And that title... "Venus"... it transpires EPICNESS! And shut up with Kes$ha and DR.Luke... talk about Gaga! Edited October 23, 2013 by ladygaga1984 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 because it's not what she intended, it's not what was intended, it's not what i was hyped for and on top of that she came off tweeting "Oh yeah DWUW single so excited" like b---h stfu. I'm pissed off honestly. I love her to death but i'm pissed off. I liked DWUW but while it is a good song, to me it was just an appetizer while we waited for the meal proper. The experience has soured over the song for me, i hope that changes, but it is how i feel right now. Are you for real? She barely hyped Venus at all. The GO hardly even know about Venus, and she hyped the **** out of DWUW this last week. And someone getting excited about a song you haven't heard...grow up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladygaga1984 175 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Are you for real? She barely hyped Venus at all. The GO hardly even know about Venus, and she hyped the **** out of DWUW this last week. And someone getting excited about a song you haven't heard...grow up. What? She hardly hyped Venus? You´re kidding right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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