craig 680 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Too many posters suffer from the delusion that Gaga needs to have singles success like Katy on Teenage Dream, or Madonna and MJ in the 1980's, to be a major icon. It would be good for those people to look up the singles success on Wikipedia, or major musicians from the past. Look how many non Top 10 "flops" they had that are still classic songs. Would you have pulled your hair out and sank into depression is you were stanning for them back them? Why don't you look up from of your classic faves and make a comment. I'll start with David Bowie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie_discography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Thriller peaked at #4 and Material Girl at #2 iconic smashes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy 4,421 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks for making this , this is what I say each time there is a meltdown in here -_- 'Bad Romance' peaked at #2 and it's her signature song. 'Into The Groove' by Madonna peaked at #15 and is a classic of the 80s. 'Don't Speak' by No dout is a 90s classic and did not even chart on the hot 100, even if it was #1 on radio for 3 months or so ,,,,and same thing can be said for #1s that are completly forgotten by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist 0 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Quality, not quantity, is what matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks for making this , this is what I say each time there is a meltdown in here -_- 'Bad Romance' peaked at #2 and it's her signature song. 'Into The Groove' by Madonna peaked at #15 and is a classic of the 80s. 'Don't Speak' by No dout is a 90s classic and did not even chart on the hot 100, even if it was #1 on radio for 3 months or so ,,,,and same thing can be said for #1s that are completly forgotten by now That didnt happened because it was never release as a single, At the moment, Billboard includes everything that measures a song succes, except piracy, and we cant say that this affects only Gaga. The popularity of Applause right now it is that reflected in the chart, which is good. But of course every singer had at least one song underperformed flopped. With Gaga is MTN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 At the moment, Billboard includes everything that measures a song succes, except piracy, and we cant say that this affects only Gaga. The popularity of Applause right now it is that reflected in the chart, which is good. Not quite. The singles chart still can't measure the ability of a song to sell albums and tours. Some singles sell 6 million downloads and fail to sell anything beyond themselves. Others do poorer on radio and itunes, but they sell their parent album and become part of an artist's multi-million dollar earning tour repertoire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Not quite. The singles chart still can't measure the ability of a song to sell albums and tours. Some singles sell 6 million downloads and fail to sell anything beyond themselves. Others do poorer on radio and itunes, but they sell their parent album and become part of an artist's multi-million dollar earning tour repertoire. Well, but that will never happen. Especially with tours. There are artists out there that dont need to actually release a song or an album to sell tickets. There isnt a direct connection. Whats next? Billboard should be abble to see a song succes without the artist name? Like in the case of Applause? How many people bought the song for the song and how many bought the song for Lady Gaga? I dont see the sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 I'm just saying Billboard Hot 100 charts can't measure everything. Singles success - getting large masses of people to make a very small commitment to a song (program it on radio, download it for a buck, stream it). Deeper success - getting a smaller group of people to make a bigger commitment (buy an album, buy tour tickets, be loyal long-term to artist, take their work seriously). There are artists out there that dont need to actually release a song or an album to sell tickets. Heritage acts. Newer acts have to please their public with new material, even if they don't sell a lot of singles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan James 7 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 We live in a very disposable, throw away world now. It's sad to say it but so many songs that reach #1 are often #1 mainly because they are material that is easily gobbled up, chewed on and spat out. You could argue that's why Roar has sold twice as much as Applause. It's pop lite you might say. It's chewing gum where as Applause is a full course meal and ARTPOP is a medival banquet. It's like less people are digesting music these days, if that's not too much of a silly metaphor. I'm not putting Katy down. I enjoy the song. But artistically, there's more to cut into, bite and feed on in Gaga's work. Or maybe that's just my inner Monster talking. It's an obsession we now have with the 'the next thing'. The 'next Katy Perry', the 'new Lady Gaga', 'this year's Rebecca Black' etc. You see it in shows like the X Factor and The Voice. It's investing into an artist, singer, musician, making them almost famous, and then abandoning them once the easy cash has been made (a Christmas single for example). Then it's straight to investing into the next contestant on the next show and so on and the previous year's winner has been left in the cold. Basically a 'medieval banquet' wouldn't go straight to #1 because it takes time to taste, eat, understand and is expensive, not necessarily finically but emotionally, it demands your investment and most people can't 'afford' that. Everyone is able to afford a piece of chewing gum though. It takes very little time, very little effort, very little dedication and plus there's a new flavour every year. People will probably get bored of chewing gum and artificial flavours eventually though. And maybe the music industry will change because of it. Just rambling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy 4,421 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That didnt happened because it was never release as a single, It did happened, it was the third single.''Despite the song's popularity, "Don't Speak" did not chart on the Billboard Hot 100 (as rules of the times required commercial singles for charting and one was not issued for the song), but it did reach number one on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay for 16 weeks.'' -_- ...And i'm here for Gaga having singles AND deeper success :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It did happened, it was the third single.''Despite the song's popularity, "Don't Speak" did not chart on the Billboard Hot 100 (as rules of the times required commercial singles for charting and one was not issued for the song), but it did reach number one on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay for 16 weeks.'' -_- ...And i'm here for Gaga having singles AND deeper success :) Hot 100 and Hot 100 Airplay are different charts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,326 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 We live in a very disposable, throw away world now. It's sad to say it but so many songs that reach #1 are often #1 mainly because they are material that is easily gobbled up, chewed on and spat out. You could argue that's why Roar has sold twice as much as Applause. It's pop lite you might say. It's chewing gum where as Applause is a full course meal and ARTPOP is a medival banquet. It's like less people are digesting music these days, if that's not too much of a silly metaphor. I'm not putting Katy down. I enjoy the song. But artistically, there's more to cut into, bite and feed on in Gaga's work. Or maybe that's just my inner Monster talking. It's an obsession we now have with the 'the next thing'. The 'next Katy Perry', the 'new Lady Gaga', 'this year's Rebecca Black' etc. You see it in shows like the X Factor and The Voice. It's investing into an artist, singer, musician, making them almost famous, and then abandoning them once the easy cash has been made (a Christmas single for example). Then it's straight to investing into the next contestant on the next show and so on and the previous year's winner has been left in the cold. Basically a 'medieval banquet' wouldn't go straight to #1 because it takes time to taste, eat, understand and is expensive, not necessarily finically but emotionally, it demands your investment and most people can't 'afford' that. Everyone is able to afford a piece of chewing gum though. It takes very little time, very little effort, very little dedication and plus there's a new flavour every year. People will probably get bored of chewing gum and artificial flavours eventually though. And maybe the music industry will change because of it. Just rambling. Masterpiece tbh :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Here is a list I just made of some classic songs that didn't top the chart, or even make it close, along with their Hot 100 peak. 1956: Elvis Presley - Blue Suede Shoes: #20 1967: The Beatles - Strawberry Fields Forever: #8 1968: The Rolling Stones - Jumpin Jack Flash: #3 1975: Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run: #23 1977: David Bowie - Heroes: #24 1984: Michael Jackson - Thriller: #4 1984: Madonna - Material Girl: #2 1987: Guns N' Roses - Welcome to the Jungle: #7 1991: Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit: #6 1994: Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You: #21 2009: Lady Gaga - Bad Romance: #2 These are all brilliant, iconic songs that are stand out classics within each respective artists' discography. Yet none of them even hit #1. Some of them didn't do well at all upon release but decades later they get the biggest reception at concerts and are signature hits. Who knows, maybe in 20 years time Marry The Night will be one of Gaga's best known songs? Unlikely, but entirely possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster2015 1,117 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Yes people need to calm down! Vogue debut at #36 and took 6 weeks to get to #1. But their were many songs that are famous but didnt reach #1 and were blocked at #2like Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Bohemian Rhapsody, Material Girl, YMCA, We Are The Champions, The Sweet Escape, Bad Romance, and more..so a song doesn't have to be #1 to be memorable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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