DC Studios Shakeup: James Gunn & Peter Safran Out

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Quick thoughts: glad that Gunn's out, I was neutral about him from the jump but he's vision as a studio head is just super frantic and unproductive BUT It's very concerning how and when this very outspoken leftist decision maker was ousted. It was kinda inevitable under Ellison I guess they could never work together. 

In the bigger scheme of things this raises major red flags about creative control and the type of watered down, demographic maxxing, Saudi approved media we will be fed for the foreseeable future. But also as a dc fan, man does it suck to witness so much potential be reduced to dogshit time and time again. I wish dc could just buy their licencing back and prevent anyone from making live action films ughhhh

 

Also Peter Safran is the embodiment of a wet rag, surprised Ellison didn't pouch him to make it seem like a smoother transition of power, guess he has somewhat of a spine. 

Get ready for Michael Bay's dccu y'all. Unbelievable 

Edited Tuesday at 01:19 AM by onionring

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Gunn’s aversion to using the primary and most known characters was what killed it tbh. And the way he treat Hal in Lanterns.

Like all he needed to do after Superman was make movies for Wonder Woman and the rest of the Justice League. Like the fact he didn’t INSTANTLY have a Batman movie is insane to me. Whether or not they folded in Pattinson’s Batman is irrelevant. They needed a Wonder Woman, Batman and Green Lantern movie straight away.

I know he was trying to be vehemently opposed to making it like the MCU. But the whole reason they hired him was to make it like the MCU just more humorous and crazy.

Edited Tuesday at 01:20 AM by gagzus

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8 minutes ago, onionring said:

Quick thoughts: glad that Gunn's out, I was neutral about him from the jump but he's vision as a studio head is just super frantic and unproductive BUT It's very concerning how and when this very outspoken leftist decision maker was ousted. It was kinda inevitable under Ellison I guess they could never work together. 

In the bigger scheme of things this raises major red flags about creative control and the type of watered down, demographic maxxing, Saudi approved media we will be fed for the foreseeable future. But also as a dc fan, man does it suck to witness so much potential be reduced to dogshit time and time again. I wish dc could just buy their licencing back and prevent anyone from making live action films ughhhh

 

Also Peter Safran is the embodiment of a wet rag, surprised Ellison didn't pouch him to make it seem like a smoother transition of power, guess he has somewhat of a spine. 

Get ready for Michael Bay's dccu y'all. Unbelievable 

I think whether people like it or not they either needed to go comical, or really dark AND because of expectations the choice to make secondary and in some cases beyond tertiary characters into primary characters JUST to be averse from the MCU is ridiculous to me. I’m not a massive DC fan BUT I would happily pay to see Superman, Batman, WW, GL, Hawkgirl etc.

Basically they needed to be going toward a JL crossover that looked like the 2000s cartoon lineup. AND I think a proper Teen Titans movie down the line too. 

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4 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I think whether people like it or not they either needed to go comical, or really dark AND because of expectations the choice to make secondary and in some cases beyond tertiary characters into primary characters JUST to be averse from the MCU is ridiculous to me. I’m not a massive DC fan BUT I would happily pay to see Superman, Batman, WW, GL, Hawkgirl etc.

Basically they needed to be going toward a JL crossover that looked like the 2000s cartoon lineup. AND I think a proper Teen Titans movie down the line too. 

They just need it to tell good stories either original or adapted, no matter the tone. Just the other day I saw a comic book writer's comment on a yt video how her one that got away was a proposed question and the huntress miniseries (two somewhat obscure characters) where she (Gail Simone) would write the female brash yet multifaceted character while another writer (Greg Rucka) would write the stoic with a tendency for violence male one, think the before films with street level super heroes. It's this simple not obsessed with canon while not purposely antagonistic towards it, little story in a comic book, and I thought while not reinventing the wheel was brilliant. 

All that to say no matter what the all arching tone of the universe was, you gotta have the common sense to tell a good story, you can have the big epic cosmic opera alongside a sleezy (non derogatory) buddy comedy in the same ****ing universe but just stop with the shallow face value adaptions and the manufactured to sell "artistic" decisions but also tell a goddamn GOOD story which none other than superman film has even attempted to do so. 

Either way sorry to go on a tangent lol. I wonder what would become of the Gunn superman sequel tho.

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6 minutes ago, onionring said:

They just need it to tell good stories either original or adapted, no matter the tone. Just the other day I saw a comic book writer's comment on a yt video how her one that got away was a proposed question and the huntress miniseries (two somewhat obscure characters) where she (Gail Simone) would write the female brash yet multifaceted character while another writer (Greg Rucka) would write the stoic with a tendency for violence male one, think the before films with street level super heroes. It's this simple not obsessed with canon while not purposely antagonistic towards it, little story in a comic book, and I thought while not reinventing the wheel was brilliant. 

All that to say no matter what the all arching tone of the universe was, you gotta have the common sense to tell a good story, you can have the big epic cosmic opera alongside a sleezy (non derogatory) buddy comedy in the same ****ing universe but just stop with the shallow face value adaptions and the manufactured to sell "artistic" decisions but also tell a goddamn GOOD story which none other than superman film has even attempted to do so. 

Either way sorry to go on a tangent lol. I wonder what would become of the Gunn superman sequel tho.

It’s ok haha happy to gain any new knowledge of DC as I said I’m a Marvel person not a DC one but would love to get into it. If the Poison Ivy show is still happening that will PROBABLY be my gateway in since she’s the only DC character I really like along with Nightwing maybe. 

I’ve seen online the movie is probably scrapped now. And they will probably AGAIN reboot everything with the new head. He revealed that he was going to introduce his Batman in TBATB and have a Justice League movie out by 2030. 

But like i said, the problem is non-DC fans will only turn up for the core characters. Doing Supergirl, Clayface and that damn Guerrilla character this early is insanity. They should’ve been streaming show characters after a successful run on DCCU movies and a JL crossover with a big bad.

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3 hours ago, gagzus said:

Gunn’s aversion to using the primary and most known characters was what killed it tbh. And the way he treat Hal in Lanterns.

Like all he needed to do after Superman was make movies for Wonder Woman and the rest of the Justice League. Like the fact he didn’t INSTANTLY have a Batman movie is insane to me. Whether or not they folded in Pattinson’s Batman is irrelevant. They needed a Wonder Woman, Batman and Green Lantern movie straight away.

I know he was trying to be vehemently opposed to making it like the MCU. But the whole reason they hired him was to make it like the MCU just more humorous and crazy.

Why would people go and see another Batman movie with another lead actor so soon after Battinson? I'm glad he didn't have multiple versions of the same character running around. That's what pissed me off with the DCEU for so long in the first place

DC will never get their act together because they can't commit to a vision for long enough. They're so distracted by quick profits they'll never be able to build audience goodwill or complex worlds in the way the MCU used to

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2 hours ago, gagzus said:

It’s ok haha happy to gain any new knowledge of DC as I said I’m a Marvel person not a DC one but would love to get into it. If the Poison Ivy show is still happening that will PROBABLY be my gateway in since she’s the only DC character I really like along with Nightwing maybe. 

I’ve seen online the movie is probably scrapped now. And they will probably AGAIN reboot everything with the new head. He revealed that he was going to introduce his Batman in TBATB and have a Justice League movie out by 2030. 

But like i said, the problem is non-DC fans will only turn up for the core characters. Doing Supergirl, Clayface and that damn Guerrilla character this early is insanity. They should’ve been streaming show characters after a successful run on DCCU movies and a JL crossover with a big bad.

Damn was looking forward to seeing more of Nick Hoult in that mech suit with the sluty waist 

One thing about Gunn tho, was that once you're cast in one of his films you're now his friend if you weren't already so I understand a clean slate, none of the actors wouldve returned if he's not involved. Shame though I liked all of his casting choices or wasn't annoyed at them at the very least, was exited for his ww casting (although I had little faith he would deliver a good ww movie) 

I would argue most people are already bored with the big seven (minus Martian Manhunter) the move here would be to make an ensemble movie, ONE movie, jumping into a more lived in already established world akin to the justice league unlimited animated show, with the big seven serving as the higher ups of an international (or just very big lol) body of superheroes. If that was well received THEN you expand the lore by telling individual self contained stories of the most interesting characters on the team.

Enough with the each installment has to move the whole universe along post capitalist bullshit. You tell a good story, people like it enough you branch out if not, reboot the mf and now you wouldn't be investing in a dieing world be it you're a as studio, talent or fan. No self grandiose multi-year "plan", no endless panels just delivering good films it can't be that ****ing hard, what's making it this frustrating is how money hungry these corporations have become that they've sucked the enjoyment out of ****ing everything.

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4 hours ago, Main Pop Girl said:

Why would people go and see another Batman movie with another lead actor so soon after Battinson? I'm glad he didn't have multiple versions of the same character running around. That's what pissed me off with the DCEU for so long in the first place

DC will never get their act together because they can't commit to a vision for long enough. They're so distracted by quick profits they'll never be able to build audience goodwill or complex worlds in the way the MCU used to

Realistically he should’ve gave Matt Reeves a choice; either his Batman joins the universe, or they reboot it entirely. You also have to remember people saw both Suicide Squad and Joker and had no problem distinguishing between an Elseworld story versus the then-canon DCEU version of him as Jared Leto. and they were LESS years apart.

The Batman is was confirmed as NOT part of the DCEU and neither was The Joker.

He should’ve done Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman by now to get the trinity in his version. Hopefully that’s where the new head is going. It’s what the fans want and what the public will turn up for.

Edited Tuesday at 09:17 AM by gagzus

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3 hours ago, onionring said:

Damn was looking forward to seeing more of Nick Hoult in that mech suit with the sluty waist 

One thing about Gunn tho, was that once you're cast in one of his films you're now his friend if you weren't already so I understand a clean slate, none of the actors wouldve returned if he's not involved. Shame though I liked all of his casting choices or wasn't annoyed at them at the very least, was exited for his ww casting (although I had little faith he would deliver a good ww movie) 

I would argue most people are already bored with the big seven (minus Martian Manhunter) the move here would be to make an ensemble movie, ONE movie, jumping into a more lived in already established world akin to the justice league unlimited animated show, with the big seven serving as the higher ups of an international (or just very big lol) body of superheroes. If that was well received THEN you expand the lore by telling individual self contained stories of the most interesting characters on the team.

Enough with the each installment has to move the whole universe along post capitalist bullshit. You tell a good story, people like it enough you branch out if not, reboot the mf and now you wouldn't be investing in a dieing world be it you're a as studio, talent or fan. No self grandiose multi-year "plan", no endless panels just delivering good films it can't be that ****ing hard, what's making it this frustrating is how money hungry these corporations have become that they've sucked the enjoyment out of ****ing everything.

According to Grace Randolph she thinks they’ll do MAJOR reshoots for Man of Tomorrow after new years whilst David Corenswet is in New York for Broadway. And she thinks they’ll remove Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Blue Beatle from the movie entirely.

So there’s hope it could come out still. But they NEED to swap around Minecraft 2 and MoT’s release date because WHY is Minecraft coming out on ComicCon weekend 2 weeks after Superman  absolute mess

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1 hour ago, gagzus said:

Realistically he should’ve gave Matt Reeves a choice; either his Batman joins the universe, or they reboot it entirely. You also have to remember people saw both Suicide Squad and Joker and had no problem distinguishing between an Elseworld story versus the then-canon DCEU version of him as Jared Leto. and they were LESS years apart.

The Batman is was confirmed as NOT part of the DCEU and neither was The Joker.

He should’ve done Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman by now to get the trinity in his version. Hopefully that’s where the new head is going. It’s what the fans want and what the public will turn up for.

Were lucky enough we're getting The Batman 2 by the grace of good and Steven Soderbergh who from what it seems wants to complete Reeve's vision faithfully. We're not getting a third one with Reeves due to his family situation, we either continue with Soderbergh or again clean slate, I don't think skydance is interested in making elseworld stories anyway. They'll make it as streamlined as it can be. 

Again trust me, standalone movies yet again is so tireddd and I don't think it would be a smart decision financially. 

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1 hour ago, gagzus said:

According to Grace Randolph she thinks they’ll do MAJOR reshoots for Man of Tomorrow after new years whilst David Corenswet is in New York for Broadway. And she thinks they’ll remove Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Blue Beatle from the movie entirely.

So there’s hope it could come out still. But they NEED to swap around Minecraft 2 and MoT’s release date because WHY is Minecraft coming out on ComicCon weekend 2 weeks after Superman  absolute mess

You just st saved me checking that notification lol. I think Ellison might actually be petty (not Minaj) enough to write it off and honestly despite hating his guts it would be the better business decision of all the options, and kinda shows assertivness. This is the THIRD time we would be getting a requiem adjacent project knowing fully that all the events in the movie that was made with intentions of a larger implications to the universe that we already know is going nowhere and is being rebooted, its absurd. 

Minecraft2 and superman2 are releasing with similar dates to the first ones cuz wb is superstitious i guess

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9 hours ago, onionring said:

Were lucky enough we're getting The Batman 2 by the grace of good and Steven Soderbergh who from what it seems wants to complete Reeve's vision faithfully. We're not getting a third one with Reeves due to his family situation, we either continue with Soderbergh or again clean slate, I don't think skydance is interested in making elseworld stories anyway. They'll make it as streamlined as it can be. 

Again trust me, standalone movies yet again is so tireddd and I don't think it would be a smart decision financially. 

Yeah they basically said their problem was Superman wasn’t a billion dollar movie and Supergirl wasn’t either. Basically Skydance wants the movies to do 1B or not be made at all which is gonna be a HARD sell since DC fans seem more interested in animation than live action when it comes to turnout. So I suspect we’ll see some Batman, Superman and maybe JL movies that are fully animated in the future.

 

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9 hours ago, onionring said:

You just st saved me checking that notification lol. I think Ellison might actually be petty (not Minaj) enough to write it off and honestly despite hating his guts it would be the better business decision of all the options, and kinda shows assertivness. This is the THIRD time we would be getting a requiem adjacent project knowing fully that all the events in the movie that was made with intentions of a larger implications to the universe that we already know is going nowhere and is being rebooted, its absurd. 

Minecraft2 and superman2 are releasing with similar dates to the first ones cuz wb is superstitious i guess

Grace said a few things in her livestream I agreed with, and some I didn’t for sure, but I think they should; reshoot parts of Man of Tomorrow, remove the side characters from the movie, change the release date to comic con weekend, have a comic con panel since James Gunn hated them, announce a Wonder Woman movie at the panel as well as a sequel to Lanterns maybe even a movie and offer Rob Pattinson so much money he signs on as the DCCU Batman alongside Corenswet’s Superman and whoever they choose as Wonder Woman. Then you have the trinity.

Scrap all the other movies and shows as write offs, and dont reboot again instead pivot and work The Batman’s canon into the DCCU. Then viola it’s all on track. Then you get a Wonder Woman movie in 2028/2029 and a Justice League movie by 2030 with whoever ends up as the DCCU Green Lantern in Lanterns season 2. And after the movie you can do a Martian Manhunter solo movie.

Then you have all your bases covered.

Edited Tuesday at 08:42 PM by gagzus

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8 hours ago, gagzus said:

Grace said a few things in her livestream I agreed with, and some I didn’t for sure, but I think they should; reshoot parts of Man of Tomorrow, remove the side characters from the movie, change the release date to comic con weekend, have a comic con panel since James Gunn hated them, announce a Wonder Woman movie at the panel as well as a sequel to Lanterns maybe even a movie and offer Rob Pattinson so much money he signs on as the DCCU Batman alongside Corenswet’s Superman and whoever they choose as Wonder Woman. Then you have the trinity.

Scrap all the other movies and shows as write offs, and dont reboot again instead pivot and work The Batman’s canon into the DCCU. Then viola it’s all on track. Then you get a Wonder Woman movie in 2028/2029 and a Justice League movie by 2030 with whoever ends up as the DCCU Green Lantern in Lanterns season 2. And after the movie you can do a Martian Manhunter solo movie.

Then you have all your bases covered.

Eh, HARD reboot I say, but it's not like we're gonna get decent movies with grandma's little wacko in charge anyway so they could do whatever atp for all I care, I'm tiredddd. 

But it is sad to watch WB fall honestly, even at its lowest point culturally ( the last 2 decades) they still were doing good all things, scandals and shake ups considered. They've pretty much been a constant presence in my media all my life, from Saturday morning cartoons to CNN and some of my favorite movies. 

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DC Studios co-CEOs James Gunn and Peter Safran are stepping down following Paramount's buyout of WBD to form Skydance, with Jeremy Latcham taking over as President and CCO on December 1st. Although the DCU’s future appears uncertain under the new leadership, upcoming projects including *Man of Tomorrow* and *The Batman Part II* will be completed and released.
The current DCU has experienced mixed theatrical outcomes, marked by hits like 2025's *Superman* alongside the underperformance of *Supergirl*. Reports indicate that the departing co-CEOs were caught off guard by the rapid transition after David Ellison held discussions with Latcham prior to the merger's completion.
Observers note that DC cinema has a history of frequent reboots, unstable shared universes, and constant changes in direction. Ultimately, the new administration faces critical choices regarding whether to alter the established cinematic roadmap or maintain current plans through upcoming releases.

Latcham’s new leadership begins December 1st, about three weeks from today, leaving little transition time after the announcement. The DCU established a few short years ago by Gunn and Safran appears mostly doomed at this point, although Man of Tomorrow and The Batman Part II will be completed and released, in July 2027 and February 2028.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2026/11/10/dcu-ends-part-1-james-gunn-and-peter-safran-out-should-skydance-wait/

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