Portugal bans burqas in public spaces

[faysalaaa 5,379]

2 hours ago, LOVEDRUG said:

it's hard to argue that the burqa is anything other than a means of controlling women (even if many women choose to wear it today, and all power to them, I'm yet to come across a convincing argument for the original purpose of it being anything else, just like certain Christian and Orthodox Jewish rules about what women can and cannot wear), but it's not up to the government to dictate what religious people can and cannot wear.

I agree its a way to control women, but at the end of the day, we treat women as adults that are capable of making their own choices aslong as there is nothing stopping them from making their own choices. Alot of things we do in society comes from control and social pressure, we cant ban everything.

[River 128,403]

4 hours ago, faysalaaa said:

I live in Saudi Arabia where alot of people wear the Burqa, but no woman would refuse identification of the face when needed. Most women who wear Burqa have no issue showing men their face, its not a big deal as its not even a strict religious thing. Infact, if she goes to Mecca, shes religiously required to remove the Burqa and show her face. 

I found that the first misconception of the western people is that "all muslims are the same", but there are so many different cultures and traditions within Islam and still each individual decides to practice it as they like.

Like my 2nd floor neighbors are muslims and the woman wears hijab, but the moment she enters the building, she takes it off and doesn't care if we see her hair.

[Killa 18,864]

Not a very good political move. Ill Just Say that. The xenophobia Is once again showing its claws in my country. 

[faysalaaa 5,379]

12 minutes ago, River said:

I found that the first misconception of the western people is that "all muslims are the same", but there are so many different cultures and traditions within Islam and still each individual decides to practice it as they like.

Like my 2nd floor neighbors are muslims and the woman wears hijab, but the moment she enters the building, she takes it off and doesn't care if we see her hair.

I would say shes culturally wearing the hijab, not because shes forced to, but its part of her identity and social circle. I know u live in the Middle East, so im sure u know almost all muslim families have women without hijab.

[River 128,403]

2 minutes ago, faysalaaa said:

I would say shes culturally wearing the hijab, not because shes forced to, but its part of her identity and social circle. I know u live in the Middle East, so im sure u know almost all muslim families have women without hijab.

I lived there, now I live in Switzerland 

And it's true, and tbh the hijab is a symbolic veil, a fashion status as well, and the religious meaning of it is fading, I see a lot of young women from muslim families who are not wearing it at all, like you can see a muslim woman without even a hijab, while her mother is next to her with a niqab and it's just normal.. despite what the racists wants us to believe, Muslims in the Europe and the US integrated together with their religion and it's not by what the wear or not.. 

[Dante J 61]

I can’t with the disgusting raciest comments 

[Horny Chicken 11,090]

BURQAA AHH AHHH BURQAA AHH AHHH 

[Sepsami 21,055]

I feel like a lot of people on here are very naive when it comes to Islam, maybe because of how different it is in the US compared to Europe. It's well established that it's an ideology that is very clearly not friendly towards gay and women rights. 

You can defend the right to freedom of religion and still be mindful of what that religion actually entails. Peace y'all.

[Bronco 27,213]

19 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

I feel like a lot of people on here are very naive when it comes to Islam, maybe because of how different it is in the US compared to Europe. It's well established that it's an ideology that is very clearly not friendly towards gay and women rights. 

You can defend the right to freedom of religion and still be mindful of what that religion actually entails. Peace y'all.

I feel like this is just trying to dress up bigotry through false englightment. 

Because every major religion is an idealogy. The definitions of religion and ideology are heavily intertwined. 

But while you're here justifying bigotry against one religion and trying to suggest a higher western enlightenment, you're ignoring that the UK's latest law revision to expand the definition of mandated reporters of CSA has deliberately excluded catholic priests who find out about CSA through confession. 

[Sepsami 21,055]

14 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I feel like this is just trying to dress up bigotry through false englightment. 

Because every major religion is an idealogy. The definitions of religion and ideology are heavily intertwined. 

But while you're here justifying bigotry against one religion and trying to suggest a higher western enlightenment, you're ignoring that the UK's latest law revision to expand the definition of mandated reporters of CSA has deliberately excluded catholic priests who find out about CSA through confession. 

Listen, I support religious freedom.
I also support being able to openly criticise any ideology in a respectful way, including Islam. 

[PartySick 173,952]

8 hours ago, alecks said:

Tbh this is my issue with other countries, particularly ones in Europe, virtue signaling over the current state of politics in the US. Conservative politics are rampant across the world currently. If the US passed this policy, I guarantee the Portuguese and rest of the world would have a lot to say about it. You can disagree with what’s happening here, most of us do as well, but don’t be so arrogant as to think the same thing isn’t happening within your own borders. 

Europeans like to pretend Americans just manifested one day as if we aren't largely their cousins and/or the victims of our shared ancestors. Especially western Europe  

[Delulu Rogers 7,676]

I think it’s interesting to note that there are also many Muslim countries that have also banned or restricted the wearing of niqabs/burkas. It adds much nuance to the discussion. 

[Juanlittlem 49,564]

12 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

Listen, I support religious freedom.
I also support being able to openly criticise any ideology in a respectful way, including Islam. 

Good, this aint what the law Portugal is passing is about tho.

[Bronco 27,213]

14 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

Listen, I support religious freedom.
I also support being able to openly criticise any ideology in a respectful way, including Islam. 

Criticism isn't a facist law though is it?

[Juanlittlem 49,564]

Will this mean the police will go against those nazis in far right protests who like to cover their faces? Or maybe they'll allow it cause they cant go against themselves?