Economy 52,895 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyq93j34lgo I know this is a couple days old now but I see no one posted. Trump has threatned Canada with tarrifs over smoke coming from wildfires complaining the bad air quality is costing the US Billions of Dollars and they need to recoup the money. He blames "willfull" negligence on wildfire prevention on Canadas part Edited July 18 by Economy 11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,895 Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 How many times has bad air quality come to Canada from USA???? Including California fires? Historically Canada has also had to deal with more pollution coming from the US than the otherway around due to heavy industry (although in recent years that has improved due to offshoring factories to Asia and newer technology that pollutes less) Secondly this is partially climate change influenced and Canada has cleaner policies than the US (even under Mark Carney) so they should STFU 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCool 1,024 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 It just depends on the day and the mood I'm in: tbh I read stories like this and genuinely just laugh. Like just like But I hear ya on the other hand I watched part of his speech how the 2020 election is rigged. That pissed me off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 15,916 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 While it is true that Canada does have forest management issues in some places, it is rich for a president of one of the top polluting countries on Earth to complain about this. Even with all of this aside, the primary driver of this issue is climate change. Maybe if everyone actually put a truly concentrated effort to end climate change, maybe events like this would be significantly more rare. he/him/his 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timdrake 2,122 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 eagerly counting down the next 917 days until this sentient diarrhea splatter is out of office 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EART HL I NG 1,359 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 What do they think Canada can do? Come to the border and suck the air back in? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 23,416 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Does Trump and America actually know that the tariffs on anything in general actually makes things more expensive for them or? He really said we must pay for our air! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavetheEarthNow 154 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) So what else is new? It's all he does. Threats and coercion. And Mark Carney has been doing everything Trump wants. I wish Canadians would see Carney isn't doing anything to "make Canada stronger" as he claims with his trite tropes. Everything Carney is doing from canceling carbon tax, the digital services tax, climate policies, giving into conservative demands for yet another pipeline, it all caters to Trump and makes Canada even more vulnerable to Trump and any one like him in the future. A real plan that would make Canada immune to Trump would be major investments in renewable energy and even more substantial climate policies to protect our natural resources and to move Canada beyond fossil fuel. Fossil fuel dependence and increasing exports of oil makes Canada even more vulnerable to Trump and the conflicts he's causing in the Middle East. Canadians need to understand this, I don't know why so many people don't understand how Trump is driving up costs of everything due to reliance on fossil fuel. Edited July 19 by SavetheEarthNow Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavetheEarthNow 154 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, gagzus said: Does Trump and America actually know that the tariffs on anything in general actually makes things more expensive for them or? He really said we must pay for our air! So many of them don't understand "tariff" is just another word for tax. They don't understand they are literally paying taxes twice, even three times for items because of Trump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavetheEarthNow 154 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Economy said: How many times has bad air quality come to Canada from USA???? Including California fires? Historically Canada has also had to deal with more pollution coming from the US than the otherway around due to heavy industry (although in recent years that has improved due to offshoring factories to Asia and newer technology that pollutes less) Secondly this is partially climate change influenced and Canada has cleaner policies than the US (even under Mark Carney) so they should STFU We used to have better climate policies until Carney was elected. Carney has wiped out a ton of climate policies that Justin Trudeau and even Stephen Harper implemented. Right now, even states like Texas have been making more policies and projects to fight climate change than Canada has been under Carney. Carney even cancelled the 2 billion trees project. Edited July 19 by SavetheEarthNow Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyRichie 2,112 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 So what about tariffs for the USA for polluting the world 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,709 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 14 minutes ago, gagzus said: Does Trump and America actually know that the tariffs on anything in general actually makes things more expensive for them or? He really said we must pay for our air! Half of us do, half don’t. The US is filled with the most ignorant, uninformed people on Earth. No matter if you show them the facts, they will swear in your face that the tariffs aren’t harming us in any way. A society that is irredeemable. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,895 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, 27monster27 said: While it is true that Canada does have forest management issues in some places, it is rich for a president of one of the top polluting countries on Earth to complain about this. Even with all of this aside, the primary driver of this issue is climate change. Maybe if everyone actually put a truly concentrated effort to end climate change, maybe events like this would be significantly more rare. Canadas forrest landmass is absolutely massive (way larger than USA) and a very very sparse population to manage it in most of the Country outside major metros While Trumps claim that the USA has better forrest management than Canada has truth to it, its also apples to orange A Country with 42 Million people concentrated in only 5 major population hubs with millions of square km more of forrest than a Country of 330M+ people that has less forrest will never realistically manage it as well unless we spent an absolute fortune on it This is a situation where Trumps criticism may have a sliver of truth to it, but the details and nuances are important to understand. I dont think most Americans (at least Republicans) will get that and they will just fall for the narrative that the US is a victim to Canada once again for X Y and Z reason Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,895 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 52 minutes ago, SavetheEarthNow said: We used to have better climate policies until Carney was elected. Carney has wiped out a ton of climate policies that Justin Trudeau and even Stephen Harper implemented. Right now, even states like Texas have been making more policies and projects to fight climate change than Canada has been under Carney. Carney even cancelled the 2 billion trees project. Canada still overall has tigher standards than the US We have carbon taxes, we are forcing carbon capture projects in exchange for allowing some of the growth in oil industry (something the US doesnt require for its industry), even environmental studies are more meticulous than the generally are in the US Canada also isnt actively going against green developments directly like Trump has. Carney still supports green energy development despite wanting to grow resource sector as well. Trump does not Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,895 Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, SavetheEarthNow said: So what else is new? It's all he does. Threats and coercion. And Mark Carney has been doing everything Trump wants. I wish Canadians would see Carney isn't doing anything to "make Canada stronger" as he claims with his trite tropes. Everything Carney is doing from canceling carbon tax, the digital services tax, climate policies, giving into conservative demands for yet another pipeline, it all caters to Trump and makes Canada even more vulnerable to Trump and any one like him in the future. A real plan that would make Canada immune to Trump would be major investments in renewable energy and even more substantial climate policies to protect our natural resources and to move Canada beyond fossil fuel. Fossil fuel dependence and increasing exports of oil makes Canada even more vulnerable to Trump and the conflicts he's causing in the Middle East. Canadians need to understand this, I don't know why so many people don't understand how Trump is driving up costs of everything due to reliance on fossil fuel. How does a pipelone (setting aside environemntal debate for a moment) make us more dependent on Trump??? The idea of sending pipe to West coast was to diversify the customer base and also reduce the differentials on what were payed for our oil I know you dont like Carney but jezz imo hes way better than Trudeau. All he managed to do was get Canada into economic stagnantion and a severe Housing and infrastructure crisis with his insane immigration policy Yes Trudeau was at least harder on climate change but even there I think he did it highly inneffectively. U gotta go after the things that get the most results on the dollar invested. He killed business investment in Canada and still failed to grow green sectors as well as in Europe. Worst of both worlds Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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