The Anti-Gaga Backlash Around Confessions II

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7 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Actually, if you grew up (or were smart, in this case) you’d see it proves we don’t gaf about stan wars

Excuse you

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10 hours ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Chromatica isn’t very good…

But believe me, in a couple years people will get to that same conclusion with Confessions II.

When Chromatica came out, people (fans and media) collectively pretended that the album was like the return of Jesus, for whatever invalid reason.

That said, as a whole body of work, Confessions II is much better. Chromatica has 911 and Replay, though.

Naw. Chromatica is a lot better than what you are making it. It’s a good pop album with a really unique distinct sound. For some people that need deep lyrics to make the album seem more serious because they don’t resonate vibrational well with music without wordplay throughout the whole thing (ironically something Confessions II explicitly calls out), they think pop albums with more simple lyrics are not deep.

personally whenever I hear Chromatica, I actually get the same goosebumps I get with Born This Way (for different reasons). 
 

Alice is a fantastic and smart opener of a concept for an album like that. The concept of the whole album is done well. Stupid Love is better than average and fans are just applying their garbage need for a BBH100 #1 on it but it’s actually a solid pop song. Rain on Me is a Pride classic now. Free Woman is fun and sad somehow. Plastic Doll (synthwave), Enigma(house), Replay (disco-house revival), and 1000 Doves (trance) all excellently reference EDM sub-genres in really nice ways. The ACTUAL experimentation of doing an outro with trip hop like that on Sine From Above is wild and cool and a genuine sonic moment in Gaga’s career I love. Matter fact, I think it informed the eventual crazy outros we see happen multiple times on Mayhem. It’s so HER to see her throw in a wrench like that. The bridge between Chromatica II and 911 is absolutely one of the most diabolically good transitions in pop, period. There are entire compilation videos on YT annd TikTok of people being gagged by that. And the outro track Babylon is the best re-iteration of Vogue ever done. Is it referencing Vogue? Clearly. But so did Beyonce on Renaissance. Beyoncé literally even referenced multiple big songs (like I Feel Love) on that album and people applauded her for barely changing anything about the melody or hook. When Gaga even slightly borrows two notes the entire Madonna fanbase seizures. It’s not a knock on Beyonce because I like Renaissance, it’s just a praise to Gaga because clearly Gaga must apparently crack through the literal bottom of the universe and find a new note or genre every time or else fans don’t think she is original enough. The truth is….on the spectrum of pop albums from the COVID era…Chromatica visually, sonically, and even emotionally stands out whether haters like it or not and it will be brushed off by many who hold Gaga to an insane standard but will always be adored by enough that it’s lime green and magenta pink spikes will always pierce the conversation surrounding music here and there well into the future when music aficionados are still dissecting Gaga in the year 2080.
 

Full circle: I absolutely adore Madonna and I am so glad that I am not misogynistic or ageist or sexist enough to not be able to enjoy both of these talented women. And no….Chromatica is a great pop album with a couple filler “vibes” on it. But if anyone else released that album people would say it was a really edgy cool experiment. 
 

imagine in any of the dance girls released an album with world building and aura and big bold beats like Chromatica? People would say it was underrated and misunderstood.

 

maybe even from someone as big as Gaga it still is misunderstood. But for those of us that don’t need Gaga to have a juggernaut hit every era (although I’d argue Rain on Me is because it was everywhere, celebrated, and even featured in Shameless), Chromatica is a fantastic and necessary addition to Gaga’s canon and where she was at at that time. 

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I don't think this is a thing outside of a tiny space online. I've seen nothing but Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell being the living dead, that parasite going around, Zendaya fashion controversies, and a some people still hating on Taylor's white trash wedding more than I have of Madonna, or any Gaga backlash. I think this is something solely confined to Madonna's coterie of bitter elder gay stans and the messy LM's countering them in the twittersphere. Outside of that, I have noticed the Madge stans are also trying to invade reddit spaces, but its dominated by straight men who have zero reverence for Madonna, so they're kind of getting shut out, however, very few know or care about this (I only notice bc I'm a Gaga fan tbh). 

We just have to accept they will always be like this until they die, literally. 

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I mean honestly ignore it, I’ve seen it constantly pop up and it’s mostly been young people who like Madonna who just seem like they dislike Gaga than like Madonna and are mostly pivoted Katy Perry fans. Equally I’ve seen Madonna fans who love Gaga too.

I equally ignore Gaga fans as much as I do Madonna fans I can’t lie, like there’s this one Gaga fan on Twitter who has me blocked because he is DELULU with a capital D. I think his name is like PopGagaMonster or something.

I think we all just are hyperbolic, like yes I don’t love Heavy Metal Lover and feel like it’s a filler track, but I don’t refuse to listen to it irl nor would I leave if she performed it live at a concert. And I’m sure everyone here is probably the same.

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3 hours ago, Bronco said:

Like virtually every album by every artist these days.

That's what the modern music industry looks like. 
Fans play albums. 
GP plays industry currated playlists. 

 

2 hours ago, Nenifir said:

Love that this person didn't reply back. 

It is weird that there are still fans so set on numbers and charts. I mean both Gaga and Madonna have had a huge  impact on music, Fashion, Videos, well you name it. 

Didn't Mayhem chart for over 55 weeks just in the US? The level of pride you take in being uninformed is staggering. 

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1 hour ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

Actually, if you grew up (or were smart, in this case) you’d see it proves we don’t gaf about stan wars

Why the attack? Take it easy, sis.

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11 hours ago, rinasawachanta said:

a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans and even some monsters (or, at least, I sense a serious lack of enthusiasm when it comes to defending her).

So it’s not that much a big deal. I didn't heard stuffs like that outside of this forum since I no longer use Twitter.

It’s a debate between the very small fanbase of Madonna and some obsessive Little Monster privated of real serious interests in their lives.

If you ask my opinion, I think prefer Confession II over Mayhem, musically speaking. I prefer Mayhem's aesthetic, it’s narrative progression and the scenic performances. But musically I prefer Confession II.

When I was a 17yo fangirl I would feel like a traitor. Now 20yo me don’t care abt it. It’s about music, not someone's fav celebrity. I prefer Confession II over many other albums. If someone feels the need to immediately think about Gaga... It’s not very rational.

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Just now, rinasawachanta said:

Why the attack? Take it easy, sis.

You did first, you just didn’t mention me. A wise woman once said: ”show me your pretty, I’ll show you mine” 

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5 minutes ago, Creyk said:

Didn't Mayhem chart for over 55 weeks just in the US? The level of pride you take in being uninformed is staggering. 

Held up by streaming numbers because of DWAS.

But I'm not misinformed. You're being deliberately obtuse when engaging here.

The exact quote of mine you are responding to is

"Like virtually every album by every artist these days".

That remains true regardless of how a singular album does. 

But equally - you did not reference the charts in the specific section I was responding to.

You stated:

"In 4 weeks, no one but her most dedicated stans are going to think about it".

That's not a reference to chart position. Thats a reference to who engages with an artist's output.

And the simple fact is, that the GP do not remain engaged past release week if they even engaged then. They will have at best cherry picked songs and moved on, but the reality of the modern era is that the GP engage almost entirely through passive listening via industry playlists. 

An album being able to remain on a chart of 200 albums for a period of time does not indicate GP engagement - unless it remains in the top spot or top 10 for a significant period of time. The reality is that long runs on the chart at lower rankings are the result of a 1 or 2 singles inflating the album's standings via Stream equivalent album units. 

There was nothing uninformed in my post, hell, I even provided actual external resources to attribute my wider points. Which you've done nothing to refute. Because lets face it, you've got nothing of value to offer us.

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2 minutes ago, AVeryGagaHolyDick said:

You did first, you just didn’t mention me. A wise woman once said: ”show me your pretty, I’ll show you mine” 

They didn't attack you or anyone in the post you quoted though.

While I disagree with the OP's original point about Chromatica hate being new and/or artificial. At no point have they actually attacked anyone in this thread for being critical of Chromatica.

Unless we're all wanting to be super snowflakey about it lol in which case, you might as well be in the stan wars because thats equally childish.